Only Congress Can Declare War »
Posted by: populist 1 month, 3 weeks agoBy rejecting the advice and the rules laid down by the founders and early Presidents, our recent leaders have gone so far astray from warnings against entangling alliances, that the founders would hardly recognize the government they created.
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Luis-CiferComment removed: User banned.5 Replies
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mark-stevens1 month, 3 weeks ago
So!! A president can wage war with out congress ie. Reagan and the mining of the Nicaraguan harbor
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miklkit1 month, 3 weeks ago
The republicon unitary executive outlaws have cowed Congress and are in open war with the judiciary. We need more men like Kucinich, Wexler, and Waxman.
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tkyrchncs1 month, 3 weeks ago
The President has no power to cow Congress. He is, in fact, in their power. Congress has been negligent in its duties to the people in its failure to address the power abuses of the current administration. The first act of our current House should have been impeachment proceedings against the Vice President, then the President.
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injest1 month, 3 weeks ago
"Kucinich, Wexler, and Waxman"
AKA the lunatic fringe.
Hey I wonder what happened to that Wexler " wee not the lunatic fringe" petition?
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populist1 month, 3 weeks ago
there was no declaration of war. period.
In 2002, the "AUMF" was an authorization for the PRESIDENT to decide if and when this country would go to war.
Transferring such power to the executive branch is not the same as declaring war. In fact, no such action is authorized by the Constitution - they're virtually all criminals at this point.
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injest1 month, 3 weeks ago
"The War Powers Act requires that the president notify Congress within 48 hours of committing troops to military action and forbids troops from remaining for more than 60 days without an authorization of force or a declaration of war."
authorization of force
OR
a declaration of war
Have we been at war for more than 60 days? YES
Has Congress approved funding for the war? YES
Then its legal. Reguardless of what its called
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AnteUp1 month, 3 weeks ago
bluenote1522 ~
I don't have what it takes to get more complicated than this:
Congress gave Bush the authority to engage IF there was
intelligence to document the NEED.
POTUS and the OVP cobbled together intel only to support
their agenda. Suppressed any intel that might counter
their pre-planned,pre-packaged reasons for war and committed
our forces on what THEY knew were lies. MOST of the Congress
- and to be fair, that includes MOST Republicans too - were
not privy to the facts.
It was the PRESIDENT'S job not to abuse the consent given by
Congress. For those in Congress that did NOT consent?
They had obviously made a better assessment of the character
of the current administration than the others - who trusted.
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bluenote15221 month, 3 weeks ago
Well isn't that nice n' neat. I hope to God your city isn't next! And Pelosi has done what to get us out...well that would be nothing! Lower approval than the President!
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obiefrommuskogee1 month, 3 weeks ago
Are we in a declared war? If we are in a declared war, and that war is the war on terror, then what is the war in Iraq?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or terrorists. The Iraq war is an illegal war, and whole Baker and Christopher legislation is a red herring to distract us from prosecuting GW Bush.
High Crimes-- taking the country into an illegal war.
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Endoscopy1 month, 3 weeks ago
And why has Pelosie not done anything. Could it be that it was a legal declaration of war. All of these foolish people crying that everything the Bush administration does is criminal. Like that add said, "Where's the proof." That little common sense factor that the House understands but the fools crying "CRIMINAL" don't.
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mark-stevens1 month, 3 weeks ago
A dictator can declare war on anything... Hitler and the Jews, Stalin and the Bible, Bush and the middle class or maybe McCain and those that whine.
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injest1 month, 3 weeks ago
obiefrommuskogee
"Are we in a declared war? If we are in a declared war, and that war is the war on terror, then what is the war in Iraq?"
Iraq is a theater in the war on terror, it is also the Iraq liberation act. Read all of it along with supporting AND dissenting opinions on it. All of this is spelled out clearly in the AUMF in Iraq. Really you have no valid excuse for not knowing this, after 4 years even the slowest kids should be up to speed by now.
"Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 or terrorists"
It had nothing to do with 9/11 true and no one (in the Bush Admin) has ever claimed it did. Terrorists is another story. Iraq (Saddam) had funded and train terrorist groups all over, that's not even in dispute.
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injest1 month, 3 weeks ago
"The Iraq war is an illegal war"
Really? And when and where did this ruling come down from? What court what authority?
Did you know we are and have been operating under UN mandate in Iraq?
The US has been in Iraq (as part of an international coalition) under the divine auspices of a United Nations' mandate since June 2004.
Moreover the Security Council has renewed/extended that mandate every year since then by an unanimous vote. UN Security Council extends mandate in Iraq
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2006/sc8879....
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2005/sc8550.d...
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CHAM1 month, 3 weeks ago
I think the question is: Does Congress have the Constitutional Authority to pass a War Declaration to Bush? Another question, has war been declared? And a final question, is Congress cowed?
My answer to the three questions are : NO, NO, and NO.
They ( enough of them to dominate Congress ) decided to go to the dark side and participate in the Lucre that goes along with the profitable corruption going on now.
Along this line, I believe a few years ago maybe a dozen or so Congress members gave the Reverend Moon a Coronation party as "King of America or maybe the world". I'm sure all know that Moon is the Owner and Editor of the Washington Times, a very Conservative publication, much in favor of the Religious Right. To show how smart the RR is the Reverend Moon teaches that Jesus failed in his mission and Moon in his Magnificent self was sent to complete the mission that Jesus failured.
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CHAM1 month, 3 weeks ago
Whether it is true or not, the Bush family, beginning with daddy, are rumored to have made and profited from very powerful liasons between Bush and Moon.
Moon's wealth is probably bound up in the Unification Church but I did hear that it took Hundai Motor Company to outbid him for a resort in North Korea.
Of course you'all did know that he and that little short North Korean Dictator are best of friends - well didn't you?
I do believe the Moon and his good buddy Daddy Bush made many World junkets together.
Yeah, Congress wasn't cowed, they just got a sniff of that money. You don't mean stuff to them, and I think everyone this page probably realizes that.
Here's a news flash. Republicans ( And Democrats ) have never been seen refusing Moon Money.
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CHAM1 month, 3 weeks ago
Sorry but I forgot to mention here that the Reverend Falwell was sure to accept the Moon's endorsement of Religious Right activities.
Now you don't have to believe me, just let Moon have you read all the testimonials from Presidents who have passed, as they say, I guess those testimonials came from either Hell or Heaven. You don't want to know what I think about such rubbish.
The shameful thing is that Hannity and the boys get much of their "trash Liberals" from the Insider Magazine, another of Moon Pie's publications.
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mmrhe1 month, 3 weeks ago
The Bushies expertly cornered Congress into giving them what they wanted.
It was all "last resort" and "negotiation first" kinda BS. And let's not forget the first Gulf War when many Dems did take a stand only to have their political asses handed to them when we went in virtually unopposed.
Nobody wanted that vote on their record again...
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tkyrchncs1 month, 3 weeks ago
Desert Storm was not a comparable situation to the present. The action was truly multinational, and UN sanctioned, and occurred in response to international aggression by Iraq. I think this, too, was handled badly, and we should not have supplied any of the ground troops. There is no legitimate use for American troops in the Near East. No country there can offer us a serious threat, and they all manage to suck money out of us like leaches. I do not believe that any earthly power can establish or maintain peace in that region, and we have no legitimate interest in the region worth even one American life.
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Endoscopy1 month, 3 weeks ago
And you are saying that we are the only troops there right now. There are even some units from the UAW there. Liberals just try to ignore what the other countries are doing and which ones have troops there.
Then they can cry it is all about greed. Just because we are fighting for the most part those in the organization that brought down the Twin Towers.
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injest1 month, 3 weeks ago
"Cowards they ain't. Crooks they are. I predict that the American Public will return more of the crooks to office than they will kick out?
Who wants to take that bet?"
How do you tell which party has the most crooks in congress?
Simple who has the majority
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CHAM1 month, 3 weeks ago
I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I like to think I am an American. I owe no allegiance to either of those Parties.
Tkyrchnos, Desert Storm was about two different things depending on whether you look at Saddam's complaint or if you look at the subterfuge by the White House.
For two years Saddam had been talking to the U S about the Kuwaiti slant drilling. He had given Salah Al Salah Dictator of Kuwait an ultimatum. Stop slant drilling, pay royalties, or get invaded.
Saddam asked April Glaspie to check with President Bush to see what would be the response if he carried out the ultimatum and invaded Iraq.
Glaspie carried back the White House response: It was between Saddam and Al Salah, the U S would stay out of it.
Saddam invaded we went ballistic over Saddam invading Democratic Kuwait and went to war against Iraq. Al Salah
took his 67 wives and his family ( Kuwaits Government ) and went to London for the duration of the war.
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Candida1 month, 3 weeks ago
CHAM: "Glaspie carried back the White House response: It was between Saddam and Al Salah, the U S would stay out of it."
Yes, I'm often amazed how the role of the US is ignored in the first Gulf war.
"She had a meeting with Saddam on July 25, 1990 in which she basically said, the United States has no direct vested interest in Arab disputes including the border dispute that Saddam had with the Kuwaitis."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/or...
"He talked about the border dispute with Kuwait, and she took the straight American line, which is we do not take positions on border disputes between friendly countries."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/s...
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Ratskii1 month, 3 weeks ago
Also remember that GHWB promised that we would promote a new democratic government when Kuwait was freed and then authorized the military to fly the royal family back in and protect their interests. A poll in 1995 showed that Kuwait had the highest percentage negative opinion towards the U.S. of any Middle Eastern country.
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AllenRocks691 month, 3 weeks ago
Yea , i agree , the congress has declaired war on the American citizens , keeping them so broke they can't pay their bills , loosing their homes , can't afford gas , while they kick back , come up with another earmark so they can line their pockets with millions , and plop they feet up on the desk , lite the big cigar like they actually did something .
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mmrhe1 month, 3 weeks ago
Luis
I'll give you points for having the kahunas to at least admit the truth...
Oil is a legitimate concern. The problem is they lied to the American public, the international community, especially our allies. Not to mention the half assed way we went in.
And we're paying double for a gallon of gas for our trouble!
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mmrhe1 month, 3 weeks ago
Luis
I'll give you points for having the balls to tell the truth on that one but look what good it did us!
4,500 dead, massive debt, strung out military, weakened posture abroad and on and on.
And I'm paying double for my gas!
The only concern seems to have been with lining somebody elses pockets!
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