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  Thinker223 months, 3 weeks ago

  > Since 1948, Palestinians have lived in a state of limbo.

  Not true. 'Palestinians' were uinknown to the world until the late 1960s. Prior to that they were Arabs.

  > Their Nakba never ended.

  True... but it was up to the Arabs not to start it in the first place. In addition, they had many opportunities to end it and they've rejected them all.

  > What's left of their country is occupied.

  Not true. There is no and never was "their country". There was a geographical area named Palestine where the Arabs were just one of several ethnic groups.

  > They have no recognized nation...

  True. A 'recognized nation' was offered to Palestinian Arabs in 1948, 1967, 1978, 2000, 2001 and they've rejected if every single time.

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  Thinker223 months, 3 weeks ago

  ...and no power over their daily lives.

  Not true. They've democratically elected their leadership and this leadership has the power over their lives. First, it was PLO and hte first Palestinian President Yasser Arafat. Then it was Hamas.

  > They live in constant fear.

  True. People usually live in fear during a war.

  > They're economically strangled;

  This is also true. War is a pretty expensive enterprise especially if you're fighting an enemy who is way more powerful than you are. In addition, all Palestinian leaders are professional terrorists. They can kill and destroy. They can not build and create.

  > dispossessed of their land and homes;

  This is not true. Each and every person (Palestinian or not) who lost property in Israel has the right (and is encouraged to) bring his/her case to court and demand compensation.

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  Thinker223 months, 3 weeks ago

  > isolated under siege; collectively punished; denied free mov...

  I've not heard about a war where enemy soldiers were "individually punished" but I'm willing to learn new things. Please feel free to bring a couple of examples.

  Regarding other claims I'm sure the Palestinians KNEW what to expect when they've started this terrorist war back in September, 2000 instead of electing a peaceful prosperous life in their own sovereign state; they KNEW what to expect when they've elected Hamas; they KNOW what to expect when they support the terrorists and when they send their children to die in clashes with Israelis.

  If they did not like it they would try to NEGOTIATE a better deal.

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  Thinker223 months, 3 weeks ago

  From the article:

  > David Ben-Gurion was Israel's first prime minister. On March 10, 1948, he met with leading Zionists and young Jewish military officers in Tel-Aviv's "Red House." They finalized plans to ethnically cleanse Palestine through a process of siege, intimidation and terror - to bomb and depopulate villages and cities; massacre innocent people; burn homes, property and goods; and prevent expelled Palestinians from returning.

  > Dalet (Plan D) was the final master plan. It was for war without mercy - mass slaughter, targeted assassinations, rapes, other atrocities, displacement and destruction. It was to establish an exclusive Jewish State without an Arab presence.

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    Thinker223 months, 3 weeks ago

    This is a legend that remains popular among Palestinian Arabs and their advocates. Its major flaw is, of course, its huge discrepancy with the real world, namely the fact that if the Arabs were expelled from Palestine and prevented from returning there would be no Arabs in Palestine today. In reality, the number of Arabs in Palestine INCREASED from about 1 Million in 1948 to more than 5 Million today. Similarly, if an exclusive Jewish State without an Arab presence was established there would be no Arabs in Israel. In reality the number of Israeli Arabs INCREASED from about 130,000 in 1949 to 1.3 Million today. Yes, the percentage of Arabs in the "exclusive Jewish State without an Arab presence" exceeds 20% and the number of Arabs in this "exclusive Jewish State without an Arab presence" INCREASED TEN TIMES since 1949.

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