Do No Evil – The federal government is not doing enough to help some civilian employees wounded while deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Civilian employees do not fall under the military disability system. Their injuries aren't covered by health insurance but by workers' compensation. But the Labor Department is not equipped to handle civilians' wartime claims.
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"The answer to the that question is no one. Maybe if those innocent Iraqi civilian "freedom fighters" would stop blowing up their neighbors, schools, markets, and buses then no one would need care.".
FYI: None of this was happening before your country invaded and occupied Iraq. If Sadam was killing his people, it was their business. It is also happening in Africa, if you care to know.
So only a lunatic like the one who posted the comment referred above, would say USA is not responsible. FYI: Recently a bomb was dropped by US planes 50 yards from a hospital killing hospital workers, blowing up ambulances and other innocent civilians.
Enough of "we are the nice guys" folks. You are nothing but war criminals.
I see, I see. It is Republicans fault that Iraqis are killing children...of course! That makes tons of sense!
"If Sadam (sic) was killing his people, it was their business."
That tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about you and your false claims to care for other people. You only care about others when you can somehow blame their suffering on the US military, Republicans, and George Bush.
"djrevelky, you are today's winner of the smack down, dead on the screws comment award winner"! You are so dead on the money
with that comment I give you 300 positive votes! Yes, lets only go to countries and help when it's convenient for all concerned. Who cares what saddam was doing to his people. Why should the Iraqi people have a chance at the same freedoms citizens of other countries enjoy. Screw the Iraqi people, why show any compassion for those freaks right!? Freedom Is an inconvenient truth!! Freedom is inconvenient to achieve! Freedom is bloody! Freedom for others not in your back yard
is expensive! Mr Bush, tear down this wall that is blinding these idiots from the truth!
American armed forces are tasked with protecting these United States and our constitustion. They are not tasked with liberating oppressed populations throughout the world. But you know this isn't about the Iraqi people or the tyrant Saddam, who recieved US aid as a valued trading partner until the day before he invaded Kuwait, it's largely about oil and our continued access to it.
We did not intervene on any other genocide artist, though there have been many, for their genocides. If it assuages your conscience that we have removed a madman who kept order through oppression and substituted absolute chaos wherein there is no rhyme or reason why the innocent die in parks and on the streets and in their homes, then so be it. I hope you sleep well. We are not only not better than Saddam, we are WORSE. At least before you could be silent and obedient and live; now you die regardless of what you do.
Vicious tyrants in other countries are not our responsibility. If we are asked by a reasonable insurgency against a tyrant, we should supply aid, but NOT SOLDIERS. Otherwise we should MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!
We are not in Iraq to fight tyrants or terrorists either, and every correspondent to this thread knows that.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
That's from the Declaration of Indcependence. The people of Iraq had the right to throw off their leader. We on the other hand had no justification to invade Iraq or to depose him.
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On the flip side, who is caring for innocent Iraqi civilian men, women and children who are being bombed with impunity everyday?
The people in this country who still support and want to contribute to continue this terrible human tragedy started in 2003 are stone hearted.
The answer to the that question is no one. Maybe if those innocent Iraqi civilian "freedom fighters" would stop blowing up their neighbors, schools, markets, and buses then no one would need care.
Nikki, this is reality calling...I just wanted to tell you that the US has not subjected anyone in Iraq to be "bombed with impunity daily" since 2003. Your friends, those "freedom fighters" have though.
I want to tell you about some children in Baquba, Iraq and what your friends "the freedom fighters" did to help these children. Let me tell you about Ahmed, Farah, Youssef. Ya see, these 3 children were outside on a playground tossing around a football. Just small, innocent children with their lives ahead of them until your friends showed up. The "freedom fighters" had sent a suicide bomber to that playground to defeat the American military...by what other way than blowing up playgrounds?
The bomb went off and Ahmed and Youssef were killed instantly but not Farah. Oh no! Farah had to watch in horror as her friends were blown to peices in front of her very eyes..if she could see of course, shrapnel was in her eyes. I guess that was the "freedom fighter" way of preventing children from seeing the horrors of war.
She later died that day. Four other children were also at that small playground in Baquba, all of whom were severely injured...one of whom is now blind.
This did not happen before we went there. People in Iraq who offered the government no resistence were in no danger.
Really? No danger? Tell that to the countless hundreds of women that Saddam's sons raped and then killed.
Tell that to the children of the Kurds who were gassed and then buried in mass graves.
Careful on the gas issue. How was it that Saddam was able to produce the gas he used on the Kurds?
Saddam obtained the gas he used on the Kurds from the United States...it was truly a weapon of mass destruction...wait a second...
OMG! Saddam DID have WMD's because we gave them to him...
Not really factual. He did get the technolgical know how from the US, but he got the precursor chemicals from companies in Germany, France and the UK. Mostly all of his stockpile were destroyed after the first gulf war and it appears that he simply lost the rest to hidden artillary shell that by the time of GW's invasion and occupation were so obsolete that they posed a danger to anyone who tried to use them. By any means they did not represent a threat to the worlds reamining super power.
Right, we knew he had weapons of mass destruction because, gasp, we have the receipts. Boy you really love this country, don't you?
..yah, our CIA wanted to know how effective the means and lethality of those weapons were!
Dj, if Dumya would have actually tried real diplomacy ... all this could have been avoided... but Dumya wanted to be a war president to claim all those war powers... to the greater demise of Americans.... and over 4,ooo good Americans deaths with more to follow! Read about our poor rules of engagemet to win a guerilla war in Vietnam too, you fool!
And tell that to the hundreds of thousands of young girls and women who now have NO rights whatsoever. They cannot work because they are threatened with death. They are kidnapped and killed for not wearing the proper "dress/veils". Young women whose parents are dead from collateral damage or killed by insurgents from a different sect are selling their bodies to have money to buy food and have a place to live and take care of their siblings.
The Iraq infrastructure is trashed. Little to no food, clean water, electricity, sanitation, medical aid, medical supplies, and the mortality rate of children under 5 is the HIGHEST in the history of that country.
Saddam was a brutal dictator, but people could roam the streets to shop and visit in TOTAL safety. There was NO sectarian violence, children were not dying of disease or lack of food/water. Women had almost equal rights and had career jobs.
The actions of our administration have destroyed Iraq.
"The actions of our administration have destroyed Iraq"
I think the past 4 administration have had a hand in destroying Iraq. Before becoming involved with Raygun, Iraq was one of the most modern Arab countries in the world. Women had more freedom than in any Arab nation. They also had the highest literacy rate amoung women in the Arab world as well.
Like that Kurdish village that got gassed. Those women and kids were armed I tell you!
So is USA, a very large % of the people have guns, what does that make you,
And as for gassing people, look at the experiments done by Gov. agency's on their own people
Irrelevant comparison. We don't have RPGs and roadside bombs we got from the Iranians that are capable of disabling a tank. Who was gassed by the government?
well not sure if all the nuke testing is the same as gassing, but I kind of think it would be like arguing about the death of someone shot, or killed witha cross bow, same outcome. diff means of delivery
I know that the U.S. military put soldiers in close proximity to nuclear blasts in an effort to determine who soon after a nuclear attack armies could resume action. From what I understand, many of the effects of radiation were not understood at the time. Our nukes defended your a$$. Why are you complaining?
A fact is a fact; not a complaint. And while you may thing you are something special, take a reality pill, cause you are not
The only thing dropkick has ever kicked was his cat.Got to keep things in perspective.
Many Americans owning guns means we have a better chance of fighting off fascist or totalitarian tyranny with asymmetrical warfare, as well as protecting ourselves, our communities, and people who take verbal pot-shots at us but are always glad for our help which we are always glad to give if we can. Our founders added an amendment guaranteeing our right to keep and bear arms in our constitution for a very good reason. Our leaders always have to keep that in mind.
All governments and nations have a percentage of evil and insane people, and people do many things from ignorance and fear. All countries have suffered from freaks in power at one time or another. The U.S. is not immune.
"Like that Kurdish village that got gassed. Those women and kids were armed I tell you!"
You mean when Saddam was our buddy?
Where was your outrage then?
Dropkick, check out who defended his use of WMD on the Kurds. It was George Bush senior and Reagan. So do you condemn Reagan for supporting him while he was using WMDs?
Maybe if daddy bush had kept his word with the Kurds, when he told them that we had their back if they would rise up against saddam,then left them on their own.They got slaughtered because bush pulled out,those Kurds would still be alive if bush one hadn't lied.Seems to be a family trait doesn't it.
"This did not happen before we went there. People in Iraq who offered the government no resistence were in no danger."
Unless they failed to do well in the Olympics. Face it, you have no idea how it was before Saddam was toppled. He intentionally inflated Iraq's infant mortality rate just to make the U.N. look bad and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent Kurds and others on a whim. If a member of your family was arrested or executed for whatever reason, the entire family suddenly might disappear.
Don't pretend things were rosy under Saddam.
Saddam and his group were perverted psycho murderers,no doubt about that.I don't think you will find a person that would defend him,but at least the average Iraqi had a country,wa... know,the basics.Now they don't.
See my comment above.
Signed Conservs are silly.
When bush baby started his shuck and jive attack i am guessing that our bombs and cruise missiles had little micro chips that could tell the difference between children,adults,good guys,bad guys,etc.When we use our attack helicopters to destroy a hide out they know who and what is inside before they pull the trigger.How many Iraqi civilians have WE killed compared to how many the bad guys have killed.I bet we have them beat by a large margin.
...reality calling...
Had those in the Bush administration not morphed the legitemate effort to capture and/or kill those responsible for the attacks on 9-11 into the strategically blunderous invasion and occupation of Iraq, the Iraqis would not be fighting a civil war. The onus of all death and injuries, American and Iraqis, fall on the Bush Administration. Those who supported this invasion and those who still do can proudly say "And I helped".
"The answer to the that question is no one. Maybe if those innocent Iraqi civilian "freedom fighters" would stop blowing up their neighbors, schools, markets, and buses then no one would need care."
--And what (or whom) is it that has motivated them to do this? Exactly...Our illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.
What law was broken? Is Iran's military action in Iraq also illegal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression#...
In 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace, in Principle 6, specifically Principle VI(a), submitted to the United Nations General Assembly, as: [2][3][4]
(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).
Bush violated the terms of SCR 1441. Which by the way was only approve by the SC because it had no provision for a military solution.
The Bush Administration particpated in a conspiracy when they "Fixed" the Intellegence and Facts on Iraq.
War of aggression? That's pretty vague, particularly when Saddam's military kept firing on Coalition aircraft and evading inspections. The intelligence claims are unsubstantiated.
I'd be willing to let the World Court decide if it was or not.
When China is tried for Tibet, sure.
Hate to admit to agreeing with you, but I'd like to see China brought to the world court for that one too.
''War of aggression? That's pretty vague,''
not really
just think of it like this
who dropped bombs on who first?
who invaded who first?
see?
"What law was broken?"
For one, the same one Saddam was sanctioned for in the first place.