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  engineer4 months ago

  Some of his fellow Rangers say that before he died, Pat Tillman expressed his fear that if something happened to him, his death would be exploited by the military and used as propaganda.

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    engineer4 months ago

    It sounds like this administration

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  engineer4 months ago

  S P A M

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    Blackacereturn4 months ago

    I think they killed him, he realized that this was all BS and wanted out. Imagine the poster boy saying this war is bogus. There would be dissenting voices that could dwarf his out. After all he left millions on the table to go to fight the so call terrorist of 9/11. What if he threaten to expose them for the liars we all know them to be now? That would be the difference between a few billion and trillions.

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      crghss4 months ago

      If this was true don't you think his brother would have told us?

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        miklkit4 months ago

        You haven't read his brothers letter.

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    sumptuousdigs4 months ago

    Spam it was...and now it's gone!!

    Thank you too, Spaminator!

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  sumptuousdigs4 months ago

  Thank you engineer.

  Wasn't it a horse named Boxer, that was used, and then carted off to the glue factory, in the story, "Animal Farm"? Later Boxer became a poster boy for the 'cause'.

  The story allegedly was an allegorical account of the Marxist revolutions in the early 20th century, but doesn't the present stink of the same manure?

  Remember..."All animals are created equal".

  Later being ammended with..."Some animals are more equal than others"!

  Lies, and more lies...who cares? Have another beer, and change the channel. I think the "play-offs" are on.

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  mackiemesser4 months ago

  'Manufactured' heros seem to be a staple in this country. While I think that Tillman was a bona fide hero for giving up the glory of the NFL to go to combat, putting his money where his mouth is so to speak, to fabricate a story to glorify his death was just so wrong. He was so prescient in thinking that his death might be exploited.

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  rightfromwrong4 months ago

  My understanding was that Pat Tillman had been sent to Iraq after being in Afghanistan but told them that he didn't sign up to fight there. He said that he wasn't going to stay there and fight innocent people. He requested to be sent back to Afghanistan. Since he was still being used as a poster boy the administration saw this as a rebellion.He was used in life and his death. I am sure that his death was not a coincidence and that he was shot by not so friendly fire.This administration is evil and at the very least they were complicit in the attacks of 9/11. IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!!

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    djrevelky4 months ago

    That is repulsive. To say that our soldiers purposely killed another soldier.

    It's one thing to say that the Administration made him a "poster boy for the cause" by exploiting his death. It's something completely different to say that they had a soldier do it!

    Go back to your home on fantasy island.

    The fact that you think the government pulled off 9/11 shows your stupidity.

    Yes...Bush and Cheney single-handedly pulled off 9/11, the biggest conspiracy EVER, without a SINGLE leak but were unable to plant WMD's in Iraq after the invasion.

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      Dionys4 months ago

      " That is repulsive. To say that our soldiers purposely killed another soldier. "

      Is it any less repulsive to say that our soldiers purposely raped another soldier? Because one out of three women soldiers are raped by their 'brothers,' and that's only the reported rate.

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        crghss4 months ago

        Another lie. Where is this so called "reported rate".

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          Dionys4 months ago

          "The Department of Defense statistics are alarming - one in three women who join the US military will be sexually assaulted or raped by men in the military."

          At the DOD web sites.

          Or you can read one article that details the horror:

          http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042808A.shtml

          Or where they coverup the real reasons women soldiers die of "dehydration":

          http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/vie...

          I'd bet the rate's much higher in Iraq. Or maybe it's lower since the GIs have so many Iraqi women to rape:

          http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/vie...

          Try researching facts before you bow down to dogma and call something a "lie."

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            crghss4 months ago

            Where did you dig this crap up. Not one reference to a creditable source. Referencing the same site three times doesn't make it three times as creditable.

            So tell Dionys should we do like you and your buddies and punish the rape victims. Should we wipe and lash them, kill them like and your buddies do?

            What else do you and your buddies do to rape victims? That is after you circumcise them at the age of 12 without pain medication. Wow, when you guys do it, you do it right.

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              Dionys4 months ago

              "So tell Dionys should we do like you and your buddies and punish the rape victims. Should we wipe and lash them, kill them like and your buddies do?"

              I don't know anyone who I consider a friend who would engage in this type of action, including the many soldiers I count as my good friends. Can you say the same for the soldiers you support in Guantanamo? Or the solders who rape other soldiers who you're supporting by denying the truth?

              Here's your military link:

              http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcri...

              Study regarding military rapes:

              http://www.npr.org/documents/2007/oct/varapestu...

              More "fun" by your definition:

              http://womenandwar.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/rap...

              "The United States has the highest rate of rape of any country that publishes such statistics; 13 times higher than Great Britain and 20 times higher than Japan. "

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                Dionys4 months ago

                http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2004/d200405...

                There's one from 2004. Keep in mind "rape" by your military brethren is a growth industry with more than a 40% growth since that time.

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                  crghss4 months ago

                  Yes rape happens every where. But I love the "publishes such statistics" part. Where is Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia statistics? Where is Malaysia, Indonesia and Pakistan statics. OH, they don't publish them. Wonder why?

                  More "fun"

                  You pervert. You think this is fun? Does it tell you this in your little book of peace. Is this why you think rape is "More "fun"". Your sicker then I thought.

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            crghss4 months ago

            "bow down to dogma"

            Dogma? Me? Now your trying comedy. Aren't you the one praying to sharia law? Maybe you need to lookup the word dogma.

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      rightfromwrong4 months ago

      Open up you mind to the evil which exists in America!!!!!

      You are obviously a lackey and wimp. Watch the films or are to ignorant of the facts. Those buildings were made to take planes and they would haven't have fallen the way they did without a lot of help.

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        djrevelky4 months ago

        Right right...keep on talking Rosey. Are you going to tell us that fire doesn't melt steel next? lol

        ALL of your conspiracy theories have been debunked in Popular Mechanics and about everything else.

        I find it hilarious that you call me a lackey when you are the sheep that believes anything you are told.

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        crghss4 months ago

        They know which solider pulled the trigger. He claims it was a case of mistaken identity. There is no great cover up. His brother was there. Did they try and make it look like he died in battle and suppress it was friendly fire, yes. Did they get some soldiers to finally admit what really happened yes. What more can be done I don't know.

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            crghss4 months ago

            "why all the BS" What BS. If you are lying or are ignorant of the true I have to call you out. Just the kind of guy I am. BTW this happened in Afghanistan not Iraq.

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      crghss4 months ago

      Say hi to tatoo for us.

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    newbie04204 months ago

    "He said that he wasn't going to stay there and fight innocent people. He requested to be sent back to Afghanistan."

    Care to provdie ANY proof to your claims or is it just conspiracy GARBAGE like your 9/11 theory????

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      djrevelky4 months ago

      Of course its crazy garbage.

      Of course, he will say that he doesn't have the documents because the Jews burned it. It's at the heart of every single nutjob left-wing conspiracy theory, anti-semitism.

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      mntnman4444 months ago

      I don't imagine Pat felt that much different than his brother and fellow Ranger Kevin...

      Letter from Kevin Tillman...

      http://republicanfreeamerica.blogspot.com/2006/...

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        newbie04204 months ago

        My brother and I disagre on a multitude of things....

        Like I said PROOF.

        Also who's to say Pat's death didn't somehow change his brothers opinion?

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          mntnman4444 months ago

          Do you think your Mother would know if you or your brother were against the Iraq war?I've never said that Tillmans death was anything but an accident and I certainly don't believe he was murdered by his fellow soldiers.

          Pat Tillman,his brother and his Mother despise the Iraq war and nobody needs to prove it to you,it's just a fact.

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    crghss4 months ago

    This is an out and out lie. His unit was sent to Iraq did their tour of duty and then was sent to Afghanistan. Tillmans input has nothing to due with his units deployment. You are a liar.

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      Dionys4 months ago

      Just like that other "lie" you were caught telling about a "lie?"

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        crghss4 months ago

        Sorry but you must clarify. I can't keep up with the hate you spew.

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          Dionys4 months ago

          You're the one denying that women are being raped by their brethren in the military at the rate of one in three. That seems a lot more hateful than calling you out on your constant lies.

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            crghss4 months ago

            Name one lie I've told. Just one. Again WHERE is your 3 to 1 proof(reference your book peddling site again). Rape does unfortunately does happen. You should known you and your kind have to dress your women up in burqa's to prevent it. And that still doesn't work.

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  sumptuousdigs4 months ago

  rightfromwrong...As in most things, I believe the answers fall somewhere in the middle. Still, there are so many that maintain the belief that: "It can't happen here"!

  Any fledgling student of history or human nature, would have to acknowledge the opposite, that not only can it...it has.

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    djrevelky4 months ago

    Yeah...you guys got it.

    Every single soldier that has died was really killed by friendly fire because they wanted to vote Democrat...just like Keith Olberman said on air, Bush killed Tillman because he was going to vote for Kerry.

    Since we are using our military to kill all of the dissenters, its amazing you haven't been drafted and killed by friendly fire yet.

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  Charlson4 months ago

  We'll probably never know the whole true and only snippets and embellished to the favor of those telling the tale. Sort of like Rashmon, it'll have many versions of the truth.

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    jordan114 months ago

    I think that's their decision, not yours.

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  sumptuousdigs4 months ago

  djrevelky, I didn't read anything about our troops deliberately killing our own. Besides, that would be a "Company" job. Were there not CIA agents in the field? Are therer not now?

  Our uberpatriots (CIA) make every soldier nervous. Ever read about the political (or party) officers in the Soviet or German Armies? Do you think we don't employ similar offices? Wake up and smell the cordite!

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  SweetSoul4 months ago

  This government has lied about WMD's, Anthrax, Jessica Lynch, and now Pat Tilman. I feel for his family. Here was a star football player who felt a duty to serve his (lying) country and they killed him. I once read, in covering up his death that his uniform was destroyed.

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    djrevelky4 months ago

    Of course, tell the world the truth o' enlightened liberals of America.

    Just like Keith Olberman told his sheep, Bush killed Tillman because Tillman was going to vote for Kerry.

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      hyperbola4 months ago

      Your devotion to goosestepping might be admirable if it weren't so tragic.

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        djrevelky4 months ago

        Your devotion to ignorance is admirable, I'm sure you make Soros proud.

        I'm just repeating what you liberals say in small, simple to understand language. You all say that Bush had Tillman killed because he disagreed with him.

        And you sheep believe that nonsense.

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        DropkickaLib4 months ago

        Actually, you are the Jew-hater so you have a greater claim to being a Nazi.

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    crghss4 months ago

    What lies about Anthrax? What lies about Jessica Lynch?

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      mntnman4444 months ago

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,956...

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        crghss4 months ago

        And what does this link prove? Nothing.

        Here is the just of this article.

        "that may not have been as heroic as portrayed"

        It may not have been as heroic as portrayed? Give me a break. But again what lies?

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      miklkit4 months ago

      Here are some links to the anthrax hoax. It came from Fort Detrick. There are 4 suspects currently under investigation. That leaves out the 6 scientists who suddenly died right after it happened, one of whom was beaten to death with a baseball bat while inside the laboratory.

      http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/detect/antdet...

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342852,00.html

      http://www.globalcomplexity.org/Deathbyassociat...

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        crghss4 months ago

        Again, WHAT lie. Who was lying about what?

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      Will13134 months ago

      if you have to ask either of those questions.. you are not informed enough to be posting anything .. .. you should be catching up on world events..

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  rightfromwrong4 months ago

  9/11 was an inside job!!!!! If you watch 911 Mysteries and Loose change you will see that is was an inside job. How does a building fall in 10 seconds that is reinforced by steel in the middle? In 10 seconds and into the basement? Obviously the concrete pillars were blown out as witnesses have said. Oh and by the way a Jewish guy just happen to have a clause concerning a "terrorist attack "put into his insurance 6 months before and made a cool $2,000,000,000.

  Another coincidence?????? Call me an anti-semitic but in reality I am a "truth sayer" not blinded by prejudice.

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    walden34 months ago

    Assuming everything you say is true, what does the fact that the owner is Jewish have to do with anything?

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      djrevelky4 months ago

      Walden3,

      Learn your liberal friends conspiracy theories...they all have something to do with those eveel Jews.

      For example, there is no name supplied in any of the conspiracy theories but there is always "some jewish guy" and he makes tons of money from it. So we have "some jewish guy" who made $2 billion from the WTC attack but his name is unknown.

      Hmm...you would think that if "some jewish guy" made $2 billion in a single day someone would know his name...like an insurance company maybe?

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        Mdiar4 months ago

        Sometimes names are supplied, usually a Jewish banker. I find it quite disgusting, I don't mind the anti-Zionists, but those conspiracy theories seem way to close to what Hitler was saying. You know the whole "Jewish bankers controlling the world, that is why we have no money!" sort of thing can be all to easy to become a cry during a depression...

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    crghss4 months ago

    "concrete pillars were blown out as witnesses have said."

    A lie.

    "Obviously the concrete pillars"

    There where no "concrete pillars". More stupidity.

    "made a cool $2,000,000,000"

    Even if this where true. Which I doubt how do you lose an object generating billions in income and make money?

    No education. Financial anyways.

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  sumptuousdigs4 months ago

  KvilleTX, Pat Tillman's troubles are over, while our's are compounded daily. Killing more innocent people will not bring him back. Denying the truth will only insure more deaths.

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  Mutainia4 months ago

  I'm amazed that an atheist, like Tilman, would have the nards fight in ANY war, when they feel that THIS life is the only one they will be living. Of course, the Soviets were atheists, and, they invaded Afghanistan, to name just a few.

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    DeadXXXManXXXTalkin4 months ago

    huh?

    I'm an atheist and I has nards

    one....two....

    yep

    all soldiers present and accounted for

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    there's more than a couple 'atheist outlooks'

    one is that if this is the only life we get its extra precious

    another is it's just a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing

    I'm in the second clan, but there's plenty in the first

    and sometimes atheists don't really want it to signify nothing, and want to give it meaning thru acts like signing up for the military in 'war' time

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      Dionys4 months ago

      Mutainia's insane. Don't expect logic of any kind.

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        crghss4 months ago

        Then you two should get along peachie!

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          Dionys4 months ago

          What a sad little boy you are, chasing me all around making pointless comments backed up by nothing more than your vitriol. Doesn't your mommy make you turn off the computer for dinner?

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            crghss4 months ago

            So your tired of me pointing your spewing of the hate. This is the part I love. Where you nuscapers furiously typing away telling each other how wonderful and self important each other is. Then I came along and rebuke your obvious lies, slap down venomous hate and expose your insignificant little lives for the uselessness they really are. Why do I find fun in this?

            But you have to come up with better material. This really is too easy. That takes all the fun out of it. Come on, you can do better, can't you?

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              Mutainia4 months ago

              Dionys is desperate to descredit what people like me say because, thanks to the internet, we've got the scriptural proof, from the Quran itself, which shows that the god he bows down to five times a day, Allah, is, in actuality... Satan.

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