Do No Evil – Reverend Jeremiah Wright has become a household name due to his association with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. However, Obama's not the only famous figure to attend Wright's church.
What I find hilarious about comments like this is that it's the very people who are pretending that this "controversy" has shaken their faith in humanity to the core (LOL) who are quick to tell people who were enslaved that they need to "just get over" America's more than 300 year history of racism against blacks.
In the words of Spike Lee "move the F on!" When one of the top the candidates for POTUS is black, and went to an Ivy League school, you cannot say that our country treats blacks unfairly. Or believe that. You especially cannot believe that the goverment created aids to kill black men.
And exactly how long has it taken to for even 1 to get there and be a viable candidate? There have been many, many, many, many, many, many qualified black men AND women who would have made great candidates, but they were denied even the possibility of running, much to this country's shame and even moreso, likely, to its detriment!
Even now, Sen. Obama is often the object of dirty tactics, smears, racial slurs, hate, scorn, ridicule...you name it! There are people who are DETERMINED that no black man (or woman) will EVER hold the highest office in the land or occupy the "white house" (equivalent in their minds to "de BIG HOUSE!"
Who cares how long it took? The point is that it is happening NOW! You cannot cry over yesterday. It is gone. Bye bye.
If you dwell in the past there is no hope for the future.
There are also people who only vote for him or her because of their race or sex. They are equally stupid. You also have Obamas friends rediculing HIllary. You have Obama giving her the finger in public. She (and this pains me to say) gets hated on more than he does on a daily basis.
Remember, HIllary ain't never been called a N____R!
"Who cares how long it took? The point is that it is happening NOW! You cannot cry over yesterday. It is gone. Bye bye."
--So you're speaking from the perspective of someone who has been oppressed?
Was Cushi? Are you?
I'm not the one pretending that the words from a political candidate's pastor's seven year-old sermon have shattered my world. You are. So I ask you again, are you speaking from the perspective of someone who has been oppressed in some significant way? And before you ask, not being able to get Hannah Montana tickets does not qualify as hardship, Tangy. ;-x
I can. And I am not black. Blacks forget that they are not the only one oppressed in America. They forget they were not the only ones segregated. - They are just more vocal.
Furthermore they feel they are entitled to the presidency.
And the white elitist voters think that becuase he's black he can "transcend all divides".
The youth just think he's cool becuase being black is cool right now. It's a hip hop nation. Even Madonna has gone hip hop to sell records.
I think he's another unqualified (dubya being the first) yet charasmatic politician who will jsut about say anything to get elected.
Only reason he hasn't been called on his two faced political ways is becuase if the white media does, they are deemed - get this - racists.
"I can. And I am not black."
--So then you CAN'T know precisely what it feels like to be victimized as a black person just as men can't totally understand what it feels like to be a woman and fear being raped.
"Blacks forget that they are not the only one oppressed in America. They forget they were not the only ones segregated."
--How do you know what they forget? Is this a comment that would be acceptable to make about Jews? If not, why not? Because Jews are less "vocal"?FTR, blacks were ENSLAVED by white people. They suffered a little bit more than just segration.
Being pulled over becuase you a Hispanic driving a nice car. Women clutching their purses in elevators. No I have no Idea, and know one else does because you said so.
FYI, Atecs and Mexicans were not only enslaved, but also slaughtered. Check the books.
Maybe they don't forget, but they sure seem to when they get on their soapbox and start complaining about what is due to them because of the past.
"There are also people who only vote for him or her because of their race or sex. They are equally stupid. "
--That's exactly how I feel about anyone who chose to "stay the course" and voted to re-elect Bush in Novemeber '04 when the course was clearly a one way trip down the crapper.
First of all they are not the same. People voting for Bush did so because they thought he was the best man for the job. That does not mean they wanted to stay the course. It means they thought he was the best man for the job. Furthermore, even if they did vote for him just because they thought staying the course was a winning choice (Which seems to be the case btw) it is still not even close to being the same thing as voting for someone based on race or sex.
Let us not, please, rehash the Wright-Obama drama,
pro or con. Those who can "forgive" O. his desultory disconnect with W. will, those who cannot, won't.
However, I find this, form the article, telling:
"...But Winfrey also had spiritual reasons for the parting....[she] cited her fatigue with organized religion and a desire to be involved with a more inclusive ministry. In time, she found one: her own. "There is the Church of Oprah now," said her longtime friend, with a laugh. "She has her own following."
Amen.
The point being, that Winfrey and Wright share a ministry: show biz.
I accidentally gave you a positive.
I think the Wright-Obama thing needs to be rehashed, and rehashed, and rehashed.
Obama didn't agree with what Wright said, he has admitted that. Fair enough. But Obama also said he stayed friends with Wright for political reasons. Interesting...so this man sacrifices his morals to get ahead in politics?
HEY! He said it.
So either Obama agrees with Wright, or he sacrificed his "morals" for the political connections Wright had. We either have a crazy conspiracy theory "poor black me" racist or we have a who holds nothing sacred if he can gain some momentum.
Obama makes the Clinton's look honest.
Can you fnd one politician who doesn't sacrifice his morals to gain office? It's a game they all play changing loyalties to get ahead, Obama is no different that way. The reason people don't like Wrights view points is because honesty hurts.
Nothing honest about telling blacks they can't succeed. Proof they can succeed: Oprah, Obama (who is half white yet still seemed to succeed despite half his blood oppressing the other half) and Wright himself, who is being moved into a 10,000 square foot, multi-million dollar mansion in the suburbs paid for by the very "oppressed" blacks whom he fleeced for decades.
I never thought that Rev. Wright deserved to be demonized the way he was for stating some very painful, but truthful things! Nevertheless, I don't fault Barack Obama for distancing himself eventually, because I do believe that Rev. Wright intentionally re-surfaced right before the PA primary, in part, to retaliate against Obama for criticizing his remarks. One thing I have observed about Sen. Obama, is that he is not afraid to take an unpopular, even while running for office, so I do not feel that he distanced himself from Wright on the basis of that. There is a fundamental disconnect between what he believes and what Rev. Wright espouses, and the fact that Wright's timing suggests an attempt to be vengeful is what pushed the Senator to make the final break.
"I do believe that Rev. Wright intentionally re-surfaced right before the PA primary, in part, to retaliate against Obama for criticizing his remarks"
He did it because if Obama were to win the Presidenct he could no longer claim whitey made AIDS to kill black people and that whitey runs the world and opresses blacks.
He, like Sharpton and Jackson, has a vested interest in Obama NOT winning.
He is demonized not for his truth, but for his arrogant and unChristian manner, and for his unChristlike cursing of our nation.He has the right to say exactly what he pleases of course, just like anyone else, but if you present yourself to me as a Christian, certain standards of behavior obtain. Nobody ever lives up to all of those standards all the time, but that is the goal, and failure merits apology and amends, not national speaking engagements. And spectacular failure should merit spectacular amends. He deserves no hearing from any Christian, in my opinion, until he does so.
That is a matter of opinion,and not everyone feels that way, I don't, and I am not alone in my view.
It was extremely unjust to pull those 30 second sound bites out and portray the whole of Rev. Wright as an angry, racist, hateful, unpatriotic American when nothing could be further from the truth.
There is definitely a double standard being applied to him as opposed to other ministers who have said things equally outrageous or even moreso.
I don't have a problem with him speaking out in his own defense, either, but I do question the timing of his most recent remarks because I do believe it was purposed to do damage to Obama's campaign by playing to the fearful overreactions of a percentage of the public who have responded in typical, knee jerk fashion.
Cushi, it was well within his rights to damn this country. If he wants to go to the top of a mountain and take a megaphone and just yell God Damn America, then let him do it. But when he starts going around telling people that the government created AIDs with the intention of genocide against colored people, and other clear racist remarks, then there is a problem.
My comment is clearly identified as opinion. It is NOT unfair to single out the offensive parts of someone's behavior, which is all I have done. I have in 50 yrs of active religious exploration and study known quite a few Christian ministers of at least four races and several ethnicities and have never heard one of them say "God damn" ANYTHING. It flies directly in the face of Christ's own words that we should love one another and BLESS our enemies, even if you view the nation you THRIVE in (as Wright clearly does) as an enemy. You can lend credence to a Christian argument by your correct behavior, or completely obscure your message by bad behavior and the latter is what Wright has done, not just for me, but for many others who contribute here, some of whom have completely opposite politics from mine.
Cushi, you make a good point,Obama's record supports him as being an independent thinker. He tends to act from reason rather than pressure.
An independent thinker who voted the same way Hillary did 84 out of 85 times? Hmmmm, seems odd doesn't it? Unless of course THEY are independent thinkers who just so happen to think alike.
So let me get this straight--there's only two ways to vote, for or against... so if he voted DIFFERENTLY than Clinton 84 out of 85 times... well, other than basically making him a brain dead Republican, then he'd be voting like all of them, so you could say the exact same thing.
Is that what you aren't saying? Just how do you vote completely independently of what everyone else thinks when there's only two ways to go?
Actually, after criticizing someone for screwing up the Iraq war, Obama voted to promote him whereas Hillary voted against it. Seems HIllary actually wore her thinking cap that day.
"Just how do you vote completely independently of what everyone else thinks when there's only two ways to go?"
Vote "Present" I guess.
djrev, Should the effects of segregation be rehashed, rehashed and then rehashed? This is what you get each time each time digging in the wound. Some stuff happened. What's in it after the third retelling of Rev Wright? I hope you took time to hear the whole thing for yourself rather than wanting to hear the distorted version over and over. If you hear the Rev Wright crap, then look at the dollar and our condition where it is possible to lose global economic positioning, you will not want America to be Dammed, as in economic collapse. Reverend Wright will not be in policy making or negotiations. Please talk about whether any of these candidates can step up to the plate for the Dollar, local economies that are cutting back, the War, our competition for Oil, and those things that will help us survive. Tell me over and over how jobs are coming back to America. I was taught to overlook foolishness, not dig in it.
He said nothing of the kind! Where on earth did you get that from? He said the man was like an Uncle to him, like family in other words. It is very, very difficult, under any circumstances, to distance someone like that from your life, whether there are fundamental differences or not. It was a very difficult decision for Obama to make and one that I am sure did not bring him any happiness whatsoever. It was done out of necessity because Wright's comments were blown up to the point that he was not being allowed to confront far more critical issues than who the pastor of his church was.
"It was a very difficult decision for Obama to make and one that I am sure did not bring him any happiness whatsoever."
Doubt it, it's simply political convenience at it's best. So much for "change" from Obama, he proves more and more everyday he's just your typical corrupt Chicago politician who will use people when convenient and dispose of them just as quickly when they become inconvenient.
Obama 08-Change I can't believe in.
newbie0420: "who will use people when convenient and dispose of them just as quickly when they become inconvenient."
This is hilarious. Before Obama distanced himself from Wright, all I could hear: Why doesn't he denounce him?
Then, when he spoke out against the particular statements, people were screaming: Why didn't he do it before? Why doesn't he leave the church? Why didn't he break with Wright a long time ago?
Now, that he has distanced himself from Wright, you are saying that he uses people and then disposes of them quickly when they become inconvenient.
He is doomed if he does, and he is doomed if he doesn't. This is really funny and very sad at the same time.
He said Wright was more than like and uncle. He said Wright was his "mentor." For 20 years a bigoted racist who preached blacks cannot succeed instead of telling them they can - which, of course, they can - was mentor to the man who would be president. That is why Wright is relevant and one of many reasons Obama should no be president.
I have several mentors and they mentor me in different aspects of life interests that I have. That still doesn't mean that he subscribed to Rev. Wright's philosophies in their entirety, just as I don't suscribe to everything my mentors advise.
It is obvious you have made up your mind to dislike and distrust Sen. Obama, which is your right and I respect that, but there is different way to interpret the situation and it deserves to be considered.
Mentors teach others. Obama said Wright was his mentor as well as "like an uncle." That goes way beyond hearing a sermon or opinion.
I never said they didn't. I said, just because someone mentors you, doesn't mean you believe or adopt everything they present to you! Is it really that difficult a concept for you?
There are people I have grown up around who have taught me many things, some good, some bad...I had to make up my own mind about which was which...as Sen. Obama did.
libsRfunny: "For 20 years a bigoted racist who preached blacks cannot succeed instead of telling them they can"
Have you actually listened to his sermons for the past 20 years? I admit that I heard/read only his last two speeches, but there was nothing in those about blacks not being able to succeed. As a matter of fact, there was a lot in them about equality and about being different not meaning being deficient. Have you heard that part?
"I think the Wright-Obama thing needs to be rehashed, and rehashed, and rehashed."
--I agree 100%. After all, what better way for those on the right to "just get over" what white people did to Iraqi prisoners a few years ago (yes, in the 21st Century) and gloss over the fact that John McCain thinks women don't deserve to be paid as much as men? Playing the victim. Classic.
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Noted.