Do No Evil – Reverend Jeremiah Wright has become a household name due to his association with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. However, Obama's not the only famous figure to attend Wright's church.
Huffington Post can run all the damage control it wants with CNN joining in. I saw, I heard and I was quite disappointed. You just don't play down the past or the present happenings of life so easy. There are people that do not forget. God didn't tell man how many times to turn the cheek.
"God didn't tell man how many times to turn the cheek."
As soon as you get scourged and nailed to a cross, like Jesus, then you can consider not turning the other cheek.
I'd say that living up to the example of their LORD is a fairly good baseline for Christians.
Turn the other cheek when you can but when you see money changers in you Father's Temple you flip over thier tables and tell them to get the heck out.
Jesus didn't "turn the other cheek" then did he?
I love it when people use certain parts of Jesus' teaching and conveniently forget others.
You, in turn, picked one to conveniently refute his! That's the problem with "us" putting our own interpretations on the scriptures, but that is what it's there for...to be used and studied by us as guidelines for living.
Therefore, I cannot say that either one of you are completely right or completely wrong.
Bottom line is, we all have to exercise our own judgment, and hopefully, we will reckon correctly.
"I love it when people use certain parts of Jesus' teaching and conveniently forget others."
You mean like you just did?
Who did Jesus command his disciples to take up arms against?
I'll be waiting for your reply.
First off, I never forgot the other parables like you conveniently did. I turn the other cheek as much as possible, yet there are certain times you just can't which, IMO, is the whole point of the money chnagers parable.
Secondly, I find it funny that you use religion to attack religion but at the same time deny it's existance.
Finally, I'm not going to go here with you, you can misquote and take things out of context from the Bible all day but in the long run you're a religion hating atheist who isn't really worth my time.
I know, I know, how "Christian" of me....
Do you even know what a parable is? The Temple episode is not a parable - it is an event.
Let me boil down your answer:
Jesus never ordained his disciples to take up arms against ANYBODY. He said they were to turn the other cheek.
That's all you had to say.
Hmmmmm
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parable
1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
Is it a story in the Bible? Yes
Does it illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson? Yes
It is a parable.
"Jesus never ordained his disciples to take up arms against ANYBODY. He said they were to turn the other cheek."
Why, then, did he NOT turn the other cheek when he saw the money changers in his temple???
I'll be waiting for your reply.
You left out the ALLEGORY part. The Temple episode is not symbolic, it is suppose to have actually happen, it is not like The Parable of the Ten Mina. Maybe you should use the dictionary to look up all the words you are uncertain about.
Jesus said turn the other cheek. The people who follow Jesus do not refer to him as their PEER. They refer to Jesus as their LORD.
Your LORD decided to drive out the money changers. He did not tell a disciple to do it, he did it.
Are you claiming that your judgment is on par with your LORD?
Not to mention that Jesus is God.
Are you claiming that your judgment is on par with your GOD?
Sounds like hubris from where I am sitting.
You turn the other cheek because your LORD told you to do so. Now please explain to me why you feel you are equipped to violate the mandate of your LORD.
Are you claiming Jesus was a hypocrite and told his deciples to "do as I say not as I do" and turn the other cheek, while he himslef didn't do it to the money changers?
Sounds like hubris from where I am sitting.
Which bring me WAY back to my original point of you cherry picking certain parts of the Bible to attack the religion you don't even believe in anyway.
How is Jesus a hypocrite?
Jesus is not your PEER, Jesus is your LORD.
Jesus's judgment and knowledge is infinitely superior to yours, correct?
You are not equipped with the capacity to decide when to not turn the other cheek, like YOUR LORD, so follow the mandate of YOUR LORD.
And no, that's not cherry picking, that's is a unified interpretation of the scripture that rectifies the discrepancy. Something you have yet to do.
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No mystery here, he is a big mouth bigoted racist. I have encountered a nut job like him in 3 decades! Who needs his spouting? Not me!
you sound like one of those who is easilyled around by the nose by slogans designed to keep a corrupt elite fllecing you.
Fair play for false prophets
... But let's consider more carefully what so many others have blithely dismissed. Let's look at the three specific outrages and see whether they fit the level of denunciation they've provoked.
1. The US government and AIDS:
â;¦ based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything.
In expressing his suspicions about what the US government is capable of doing, Wright cited Medical Apartheid, by Harriet A Washington, published in January, 2007. This is the opening passage from the Washington Post's review:
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study remains an ignominious milestone in the intertwined histories of race and medical science in U.S. society. Initiated in 1932, this tragic 40-year long public health project resulted in almost 400 impoverished and unwitting African American men in Macon County, Ala., being left untreated for syphilis. Researchers wanted to observe how the disease progressed differently in blacks in its late stages and to examine its devastating effects with postmortem dissection.
A fresh account of the Tuskegee study, including new information about the internal politics of the panel charged by the Department of Health, Education and Welfare with investigating it in 1972, lies at the center of Harriet A. Washington's courageous and poignant book. The balance of Medical Apartheid reveals, with arresting detail, that this scandal was neither the first chapter nor the last in the exploitation of black subjects in U.S. medical research.
Tuskegee was, in the author's words, "the longest and most infamous â;; but hardly the worst â;; experimental abuse of African Americans. It has been eclipsed in both numbers and egregiousness by other abusive medical studies."
Although medical experimentation with human subjects has historically involved vulnerable groups, including children, the poor and the institutionalized, Washington enumerates how black Americans have disproportionately borne the burden of the most invasive, inhumane and perilous medical investigations, from the era of slavery to the present day.
..Among those outraged by Wright's suggestion that the US government could have been involved in the creation of HIV, I imagine few could counter his suspicions with any factual information about the real origins of the virus. How many of the pundits could even explain what a retrovirus is, let alone where this particular one came from?
Whether Wright's suspicions are baseless, in the light of Tuskegee, the fact that he has them should be neither shocking nor terribly surprising.
2. Wright's views on Louis Farrakhan:
â;¦ how many other African-Americans or European-Americans do you know that can get one million people together on the mall? He is one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century. That's what I think about him.
I've said, as I said on Bill Moyers, when Louis Farrakhan speaks, it's like E.F. Hutton speaks, all black America listens. Whether they agree with him or not, they listen.
Now, I am not going to put down Louis Farrakhan anymore than Mandela would put down Fidel Castro. Do you remember that Ted Koppel show, where Ted wanted Mandela to put down Castro because Castro was our enemy? And he said, "You don't tell me who my enemies are. You don't tell me who my friends are."
Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery.
Suppose Wright made the observation: William F. Buckley was one the most important voices in America. Would anyone have said that he was praising Buckley? Or would they have merely recognized the obvious: that he was drawing attention to the extent of Buckley's influence?
Is Wright correct in saying that when Farrakhan speaks, black Americans â;; whether they agree with him or not â;; listen?
As someone who is not a black American, I don't know, but neither I imagine do most of those white pundits who repeated the claim that Wright had "praised" Farrakhan.
3. Terrorism and the US:
You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it never to come back on you.
For seven years, public discourse in America has conspired to sustain the notion that the term "terrorism" has an unambiguous and objective meaning. Although in theory it is possible that we could all agree on what terrorism is, in practice it has become the prerogative of the US government to determine what are admissible and inadmissible applications of the term. "Terrorism" has become a proprietary brand and the US government holds the copyright.
On April 30, 2008, five Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched from a U.S. naval vessel off the Horn of Africa, aimed the town of Dusa Marreb in central Somalia. According to the Washington Post, the strike "leveled a house belonging to the reclusive leader, Aden Hashi Ayro, who was inside at the time with at least one of his top commanders, according to his followers." Aryo is accused of having ties to al Qaeda. A witness said he counted 16 bodies around the crater where the missile(s) had exploded.
On February 29, 2008, the US government granted itself legal authority to blow up Aryo and those in his vicinity by designating the group to which they belong, Al-Shabaab, as a terrorist organization.
Although the Pentagon cannot confirm the number or identities of all the people killed in the missile strike, anyone who would have the audacity to refer to a military action such as this, as an act of "terrorism" is sure to be denounced. Among respectable commentators, the act itself is just as sure to receive little if any comment. Somalia is a lawless state; America's role in contributing to that lawlessness is a subject supposedly of no interest or concern to the American people.
http://warincontext.org/2008/05/02/campaign-08-...
Hyp - would you have a break-down if it was to disclosed that Wright is a closet Zionist?
Fortunately zionist racists are becoming ever more irrelevant in america. Israelis will welcome their end in our country. Of course, we will also have to root out the zionists in the democratic party.
For Israel's Sake, Moderate American Jews Must Find Their Voice
Religion â;; Radical zionist political associations have embraced the most right-wing figures of American politics from Rick Santorum and Trent Lott to Tom DeLay and George Bush - all in the guise of being "pro-Israel." Enough. These extremists don't speak for me or the majority of American jews and they endanger Israel.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/03/...
Hyp - your anti-Zionist rants are political, so rant on, but very often you cross-over into being an overt anti-Semitic.
Since you appear to admit to being Jewish , you must really have problems with being such, & if you are male perhaps a foreskin reconstruction would be in order.
HA!
"foreskin reconstruction would be in order"
LMAO
LOL Ducky your funnier than heck.
Oh both political and moral Ace. You support crimes against humanity by religious sects?
Zionism versus Judaism
Religion â;; Zionists have managed to unforgivably drag judaism's name through the mud for more than 60 years. Zionism might be a racist, supremacist ideology - but Judaism is most definitely not. The more Jews who make this distinction, the better: both for security of their fellow Jews, as well as to end zionist crimes against Palestinians.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/04/15/...
Mechanisms of Zionist Denial
Religion â;; An Israeli professor dicusses the mechanisms of denial used in Israel, America and around the world to cover up zionist crimes against humanity.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/01/...
Jewish Palestinian speaks out against 'apartheid state'
Religion â;; His duty, he says, is the same of all persons' worldwide--to mobilize against war crimes perpetrated by governments in citizens' own names. "Not in my name," Davis cries out--a closed hand gesticulating his affront. "Not in my name as an individual and citizen." He raises his voice as loud as he is able to shout. "Not in my name".
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/02/...
Good use of "al-taqqiya", O Jihadist of the Pen, hyperebola. I'm pretty sure the Jihadists and Libs actually believe you.
What about the liberal jihadists?
Oh, don't you KNOW it! :)
Like PETA?
And elf. And the American Criminal Latinos Union.
"Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery...."
You're right, he did not. However, if you know your history, you'd know that slaves were people of conquered tribes in Afirca, and originally enslaved by their own people, only later to be sold to the Europeans. The proverbial chains began in Africa long before the white man ever set foot there. However, if it makes you feel better, you can continue to credit white people with the invention of slavery.
What he also seems to forget is that the very tribe who sold almost every single slave to the west continued to own slaves until just a few years ago.
These could have / would have theories are no different from what has been said about the moon landing, the magic bullet and the governments involvement on 9/11.
As for AIDS. How about it attribute it to black people not using condoms or using dirty needles.
The problem is that you to blame the white man for everything and not take responsibilities for your own actions.
Take a cue from Bill Cosby.
Forget Bill Cosby. He is a first class douchebag. A few weeks ago a black Atlanta Judge (Marvin Arington) ordered all the white people to leave HIS courtroom so that he could "speak to his people". Bill Cosby then came to town to speak at a predominantly black school where he yelled, "Who are the white people? Who are these white people who were offended by what Judge Arrington did?...I want to meet them! I want to know why they were offended! They're MY people! Let me speak to MY people!"
I did not know that. I was referencing how He had in the past said stop blaming the white man for you problems and to take responsibility for you actions.
And I think what Bill was saying was the White people are his people, as are blacks. We are all one and the same. To look past racial boundaries.
That is actually what the message the Judge was trying to push on the blacks in the courtroom. And don't get me wrong, I think the message is good. I just think he went about it in a very bigoted way.
regardless of what people think about Rev Wright-you cannot hold Obama accountable for the words or actions of his minister.
You can and you should. Oprah had the good sense to leave when she heard what wright was preaching. Obama stayed. WHY? He either stayed because he knew that wright could help his local political career, or because he agreed with the message.
"Oprah had the good sense to leave when she heard what wright was preaching."
--Tangy, nothing in this story proves that Oprah left because she didn't like the message or the messenger. All we know is that she didn't like the tone in which the message was being delivered. Are you deliberately glossing over that distinction?
So she left because his voice was flat? :D
Well tang, let's see if you are consistent in your condemnations. By the way, your predicted response that McCain is not in Hagee's congregation is fully addressed in the article so think before you reply.
The All-White Elephant in the Room
Politics â;; Bored by those endless replays of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? If so, go directly to YouTube, search for "John Hagee Roman Church Hitler," and be recharged by a fresh jolt of clerical jive.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articl...
should you be held accountable for anything your friends or family members say?
I hold Obama accountable for participating in a church that teaches and supports racism.
How do you feel about McCain supporting pay bias against women? Are you outraged by that also?
I must have missed that sermon on youtube.