Do No Evil – From the Bush takeover of Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; (it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust.) To rigging elections. It's all shamefully here.
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Benedict Arnold was the bastion of chivalry compared to the Bush family. Has there been any other crime family that has done so much treachery in America??? Yet they are not behind bars? And continue their malfeasance and treachery. Astounding.
Money can but a lot of ways to cover up and to re-write history...
These people were Carnegie, Rockefeller, Rothschild wannabees
and they made their way there through despicable and ruthless
methods...
Much of their self-righteous greed was under the umbrella of anti-Communism and they knew that if America feared Communism enough they could protect their ill-gotten gains and increase their wealth further from the fear.
Their answer to ANY of these charges?? denial, denial, denial...
Oh yeah, now it's anti-Al Quaida, which we all know that there's one hiding in our closet now!..Oh they can't be, they're all in Iraq!! But who's making money again??
Very well stated MRCOFFEECAKE. The robber barons.
It's interesting to see who sank this story:
* ningyo
* libsRfunny
* birddog54
* 1-2-Oscar
* daystar6
I'm waiting for NoSpinDave and LuvMyLibs to find this story and add their names.
Only when we can admit the truth to ourselves, rather than covering up what we personally cannot bring ourselves to admit, will such evil finally be erased from our world.
Thanks for the education lesson, RFE.
Your last paragraph, I would give 10 more votes..
The truth shall set you free ???
Sweety, I appreciate the Propeller props but you are just a little clouded. Here's a history of the stories I have sunk:
http://www.propeller.com/member/lovemylibs/acti...
I'll wait patiently for your apology.
He was probably thinking luvmyprez, now Alphagnosis.
Templar it'll never happen. One cannot educate anything, or anyone if those being taught prefer to remain ignorant. But libs is trying her best, so and slowly turning herself toward the light of reason. :)
I notice that everyday Ghost, no matter how many times things are explained to you libs you never seem to be able to grasp the simplest of things. Is that ignorant or just a comprehension problem? lol
I keep telling you I am NO lib but you refuse to comprehend. Guess that proves my point.
Zyklon B and other gasses, war in Iraq based on lies, looting the treasury and bankrupting our nation, why should the Bush family worry about any death, destruction, or human misery when there's good, honest profit to be had! Dumbya's clan, unfortunately, is not the only "family" to clean up on these deals.
teech:
Now to educate you as to the stretch required to attach Zyklon-b to the Bush family.
The pest control firm DEGESCH obtained patent rights and intellectual rights, and it farmed out production to Dessauer Werke. Dessauer Werke then obtained Zyklon-b's 3 primary components: warning agent from Shering, stabilizer from Farben, and the active ingredient, prussic acid, from Dessauer Schlempe. It was only after the Nazis found their hideous use of Zyklon-b that they ordered the warning agent, a distinct odor, removed from the product.
There's no way in hell any invester in German enterprises in the States could have anticipated, been aware of, or revealed what was happening in Germany with Zyklon-b. And if the company you claim Bush had an interest in did not sell the stabilizer, any number of companies could have done so.
Brain cells...they're not just for self-destruction any more.
Utterly absurd. You are suggesting that they had no knowledge whatsoever of the selling of lethal chemicals to the Nazi German government knowing full well that concentration camps existed in Germany since 1934. Surely, the Bushes would have known about them and about the purposes for Zyklon B. The Nazis were quite aware of the chemical power inherent in the product and I find it hard to believe that the Bush family turned a blind eye.
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm pointing out the painfully obvious: the Zyklon family of pest control compounds (-A through -H, depending on which pest one wanted rid of) were well established and put to legitimate use well before the Nazis put -B to its nefarious application. No one prior to that would have had any reason to question its production.
To follow your logic, any stockholder in the oil company that sold aviation fuel used to power the 9/11 aircraft is guilty of the 9/11 attacks. And the chemicals were not sold to the Nazi Government as you suggest. Rather, once the Nazis became aware of how Zyklon-B comported to their plans for mass extermination, they ordered the companies to do their bidding. Anyone who refused would have been summarily executed.
Of course we today can beat our chest and swear we'd take the bullet instead. Truth is, no one knows how they will react in such a situation until it's upon them.
Your argument is a case of reductio ad absurdem. The Bushes lived in the United States and should have withdrawn all funding and ceased all cooperation with the Reichsbank and the German companies. One cannot compare your example of airline fuel to mine in which the chemical (essentially hydrogen cyanide) is used for only one purpose and that is purely lethal. Aviation fuel did not bring down the airplanes on September 11, rather people on board the aircraft carrying weapons were responsible.
Georgia, maybe in 1924 your argument holds true.
Not from 1933 - 1951. If we saw thousands of planes being hi jacked and flown in to buildings, and the stockholders, owners did nothing to stop it, that would be a truthful comparison.
You must understand that if you don't side with the party line republicans, this in itself makes you a "liberal". Keep in mind that "republican", and "conservative" are not the same.
GWW:
Wolfie seems to think anybody who isn't an extreme right winger is a lib. Go figure.
I guess I'm a lib as well. Although I hold beliefs on both sides of the spectrum.
and apparently wolfie is too old to learn..
That's high and mighty talk for a person who supports a crime family. Nice.
You are a consistent "libs are everywhere" phobic..
Wolfie is a consistent old fool, who defends the defenseless and wants things to stay just the way they are... Nothing more will ever come from Wolfie except to remain a stubborn protector of selfish and divisive spokespeople.
Sad that human brains can't think for themselves.
GWW:
I know how to educate a few of them. But it won't happen.
Let them get bloody and down and dirty. With no one to turn to but those grunts on the ground around them.
They wouldn't be funding the enemy if it was their blood being spilled for a profit.
They claim to love America. Not!!! They love the way they can buy American politicians and still seem patriotic.
They are the lowest of the low and even an ant wouldn't have to lift it's leg to urinate on them.
Their foulness will have it's price to pay. One day they will face the very God they mock in their falsehoods.
It won't be pretty for them.
A verse from one of my poems seems appropos:
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
You can give a man choices, but you can't make him think!
You can open prison doors, but can't set the captive free,
If inside the prison bars, is where he wants to be!
yes, I will ALWAYS SINK STORIES THAT DONT HAVE A SHREAD OF TRUTH. I wear that role like a badge of honor.
SINK THIS CRAP!!!! SINK, SINK, SINK!!!
PURE EXTREMIST LIBERAL MUMBO JUMBO!!!
The usual reaction.
If this story has no "shred of truth", then provide some backup documentation to prove that.
I won't hold my breath for that ....
AsMuchSpinAsAnyoneElseDave...
There are many true facts in the article, Dave...and, of course, some of it is "spun" a bit.. However, for you to say there's not a shred of truth is sort of like, uh, reverse spin.
Oh, by the way...I'm sending you a new flag icon to use...one that ISN'T soiled.
Most people are aware the of contemporary Bush's misdeeds.
It seems the Nazi connection is mostly the contested bit.
Well I personally would not go as far as to say the use of the poison gas was known, but like any arms dealer does, profit from both sides of a war, was indeed pursued. Bush was not alone in this, many robber baron types were doing similar things. 5 of the Bush companies were seized under the doing business with the enemy act. A scholarly essay here-
http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/...
I say follow the trail of the money. Lo and behold it leads right back to Prescott Bush and his connection with the Reichsbank and IG Farben. Of course, Prescott Bush was not the first in his family to be connected to the Nazis and the robber barons. Further back in the chain, one finds Samuel Bush. His crimes are just as sinister and devious. Of course, David Irving and Joerg Haider love the version of history that says the Holocaust never happened. As far as they are concerned the only important factor is the need for the corporations to make money regardless of who died.
Absolutely true.
We have a WINNER !
April showers bring May flowers...hi Davey.
back it up or shut it down
NSD:
You have proven your gullibility to follow the evil for the money and power. Keep spinning there Dave. If you stop the truth will overwhelm you and you will see how ridiculous your defense seems.
What? Did you miss this the first 23 times this story has been posted?
George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States.
Yawn
Bush and the companies he worked for "Banking" started giving loans to Germany under the Dawes Plan
In an agreement of August 1924, (oddly enough the same year and time of UBC) the main points of The Dawes Plan were:
1. The Ruhr area was to be evacuated by Allied occupation troops.
2. Reparation payments would begin at one billion marks for the first year and would increase over a period of four years to two and one half billion marks per year.
3. The German Reichsbank would be reorganized under Allied supervision.
4. Foreign loans (primarily from the United States) would be made available to Germany.
5. The sources for the reparation money would include transportation, excise, and custom taxes.
Have you ever heard of WW1? Yes? Good.
Have you ever heard of the Treaty of Versailles? Yes? Good.
Have you ever heard The Dawes Plan? No, you haven't. (if you had you would have known this Bush/ Nazi claim is bogus)
The Dawes Plan August 1924, fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan
UBC was established in August 1924, fact. (oddly enough the same year and Month of the Dawes Plan)
The plan was accepted by Germany and the Allies and went into effect in September 1924. Although German business picked up and reparation payments were made promptly, it became obvious that Germany could not continue those huge annual payments for long. As a result, the Young Plan was substituted in 1929.
injest, at last some real facts, thank you
Yes, some completely irrelevant facts, thank you.
Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed By by John Buchanan from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003
By John Buchanan
WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.
The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.
Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.
Though your link is in fact a truthful one it only explains how these initial dealings got started after WW1. It does not in any way disprove the article's assertion that the assets were indeed seized for dealing with the enemy 8 months after the war was declared, or how documents surfaced in 2003 in the national archives and library of congress that show the relationship continued through 1951. Regardless of legality or loopholes, who would serve the interests of Hitler well after the monstrosities of his regime were known?
RFE:
Any reference to "Nazi war machine" for the period 1926-1942 must be interpreted as nothing short of an admission of ignorance by the person using the phrase in that timeframe.
Any attempt to characterize the Bush family as pro-Nazi without any context, eg, Joseph Kennedy at the Court of St. Jame's, Bush 41's war record, Ford Motor Company, IBM, etc., can only be interpreted as brazen, rabid Bush hate.
Hey Georgia, You forgot GM. I believe the article quoted says a partner of the"architect" which to me means planner and it sounds to me like the time period is for the partnership, not the "war machine" itself. Don't you think?
It doesn't make sense the way your stating it.
Though I did not write the article, certainly there were plans before there were realities.
Kennedy believed the Nazi's could not be defeated, cowardly perhaps but he wasn't in business with them to my knowledge, if he was, it would not change the Bush involvement. If you read the History Collective essay I have referenced numerous time in this thread ( http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/... ) you will find it indeed points out many US robber barons were pro Nazi. I am not sure how it is assumed ONLY Bush's companies are involved, but that is indeed not the case, I don't like Bush, his presidency, or his bogus war so no illusions, I'm not even pretending to like him.
Nevertheless, it was entirely possible for many Americans and people the world over to do business with German enterprises and with the German government, but without supporting Nazi ideology. That would become less so, of course, as the world became aware of Nazi ideology. But as of the Warsaw Pact, no leftists anywhere were opposed to the Nazis...until Adolf attacked Uncle Joe.
True, it's not clear that Kennedy had dealings with the Nazis. But his sympathies were clearly with them and were just as clearly AGAINST the Jews.
In light of what the Nazis were up to, I'll take a spineless war profiteer over a sympathizing Jew hater any day of the week. Don't much care for either, but if a choice must be made...
Frankly I don't know a great deal about Joe Kennedy's opinions though I have not been impressed much with what I have read, he isn't the subject of the article. If as you say, Prescott did not believe in fascism (which is hard to support in light of his attempted coup in 1933), even if he was only in it for the money (like that would be better?), He continued doing it well beyond any reasonable innocence, His companies were seized because he continued 8 months after the nation was at war. Thanks to the Freedom of Information act documents released in 2003 indicate he continued right up to 1951.
This, even for someone who likes the Bush's, is really really hard to rationally explain.
"What? Did you miss this the first 23 times this story has been posted?"
Yea, but you're back again. Ha.
You know what they didn't mention in the article though, and it is far worse than just gaining financially from the war.
n 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy.
I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
According to a BBC Radio 4 investigation, a major subject that has received little historical attention, is the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.
In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."
General Smedley Butler, author of the famous quote "war is a racket", exposed the fascist plotters but was subsequently demonized and shunned by the government and the media.
Reference- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/do...
The story is garbage--cut almost entirely from whole cloth. The story DOES have "footnotes" of a sort--but they are links to other attack articles or they no longer exist. The only "legit" source, linked, The Washington Post, leads simply to an article that states that a website had posted the information that President Bush's uncle was an officer of a bank which was assessed a fine. There is nothing in the article to connect the uncle with any violation.
You have congratulated RFE for the "education lesson." I believe that educated people rely on facts, not allegations or innuendo. I believe that educated people tend more toward honesty and examination. I also believe that you, RFE, and many others here enjoy a good circle jerk.