Hundreds killed by US strikes in Sadr City »
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jovial
May 2, 2008, 6:27 p.m.Take a quick glimpse into a side of the war that the western media will never show you. War is an abomination. Not the heroic thing that old world war II movies and Hollywood imbedded into the American psyche. "WAR is HELL!"
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take_no_side
May 2, 2008, 6:49 p.m.I cannot believe that a major news like this is not even remotely mentioned in CNN or CTV news. Innocent people are being killed by the US army and American people don't even know about it. Why the secrecy? If the US army believes that this is an acceptable side effect of war then they should have no fear of mentioning and let the people decide if it worths it.
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OnionHead
May 2, 2008, 8:33 p.m.Possibly it's the same reason we are not allowed to see the caskets of fallen US Soldiers returning home.
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Candida
May 2, 2008, 11:50 p.m.take_no_side: "Why the secrecy?"
The story might have been reported, just differently. That's what the spin machine is for. It was probably reported as "dozens of insurgents killed in Sadr city." This reporter said that perhaps 10% of the casualties were insurgents, so the MSM report could have been the truth, just not the whole truth. They rarely report the "collateral damage." Nobody seems to be counting the Iraqis who die and get maimed as a "side-effect" of this occupation.
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Radiofreeeuropa
May 3, 2008, 4:06 a.m.You got your Bush minister of disinformation on CNN-Tony Snow.
You got your Bush minister of propaganda on Fox - McCain campaigner Carl (TB) Rove.
You got your Bush minister of sleaze and your opportunist lapdog Charles and Steve over on ABC.
You got your drooling moron over at headline news- Glen (kill em all)Beck.
You got your vacuous Katie Couric anchoring CBS. (Where in the world is my integrity?)
How much news are we Going to hear?
Media is the nuclear weapon of the right, all the while they claim it is left biased. Hilarious! But so obvious and so sad.
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capecoralM
May 3, 2008, 9:57 a.m.Maliki, meanwhile, has vowed to disband the Mahdi Army and on Wednesday even accused the militiamen of using civilians as "human shields" while fighting the security forces.
"Criminals and lawless gangs are using human shields in Sadr City ... They are following the steps of the Baathist regime," Maliki said at a press conference earlier Wednesday.
"They are trying to gain sympathy but they are using the lies and the values of the former regime."
Human Shields? Would they (Terrorist elements and insurgent groups) really do that? No say it aint so. Considering they have used mentally challenged individuals to carry our suicide missions I guess it could be a remote possibility.
Source: AP
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bubba2
May 3, 2008, 12:02 p.m.No one here is disputing that.
The POINT is - that is NOT the whole picture or the whole story.
Of course the media will air a story like this because it favors the Bush administration agenda to show that the Maliki government is supposedly strong and is taking action and is working to take control of the violence and the country.
But you have to remember that Maliki's government was picked by the Bush administration. Yes, people voted, but Maliki - like Bush - can 'appoint' people to government positions. Maliki's administration is rampant with corruption.
Also - don't forget that the Iraqi army is still VERY FAR from being able to function on its own. Even during the Sadr City fighting, many of those Iraqi soldiers didn't fight or didn't show up or ended up being on the side of Muqtada al Sadr or other insurgent groups.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin
May 3, 2008, 2:26 p.m."""Human Shields? Would they (Terrorist elements and insurgent groups) really do that? No say it aint so. Considering they have used mentally challenged individuals to carry *our* suicide missions I guess it could be a remote possibility.""
'*our* suicide missions'?
just an interesting Freudian slip
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capecoralM
May 4, 2008, 11:26 a.m.more of a finger slip. the t is next to the r on my keyboard. Interesting that someone would "jump" at a misspelling like this.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin
May 4, 2008, 8:11 p.m.:-)
spellcheck don't always pick typos up, do it?
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libsRfunny
May 3, 2008, 12:56 p.m."I cannot believe that a major news like this is not even remotely mentioned in CNN or CTV news."
There's a reason why ...
"DISCLAIMER:
"Please note that TRNN transcripts are typed from a recording of the program; The Real News Network cannot guarantee their complete accuracy."
In other words, only a moron would take it as factual. I see there are quite a few gullible types around here. Pretty obvious the "source" is an anti- Iraqi gov't, anti U.S. site. It's about as accurate as Baghdad Bob saying there were no U.S. tanks in Baghdad even as they were rumbling down the streets.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 1:48 p.m.The "Accuracy" was regarding the transcript. The actual news story is on video and if you have a computer that is half way up to date and you don't have a hearing or visual disability, the transcript is not nesessary. Nice try to further spread disinformation. You should work for the Pentagon press release office.
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injest
May 3, 2008, 3:09 p.m.Jovial
" The actual news story is on video and if you have a computer that is half way up to date and you don't have a hearing or visual disability, the transcript is not nesessary. Nice try to further spread disinformation. You should work for the Pentagon press release office."
Thanks Jovial that's what I thought!
Did you watch the video?
Have you ever heard the phrase attention to detail?
Did you notice that the small child with a "chest wound"?
The blood is right in the center, right over the heart, did ya see that?
Did ya notice the small child with a "chest wound" had no dust on his/her body?
The video is trying to make the claim that this carnage is due to bombing. Bombing makes dust, lots of it. I find it hard to believe that a child with a chest wound would be washed clean before any medical treatment for a chest wound.
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injest
May 3, 2008, 3:09 p.m.Did ya notice that the citizens bringing the child in also has no dust on them or their clothing?
Did they also wash up and change clothing before bringing the child with the chest wound to hospital?
Odd, ya think?
Did ya notice at 1:03 in the video a wounded man on a litter is being rushed into hospital for medical treatment?
Did ya notice he also had no dust on him, his clothing the litter, nada, none.
The message the video it trying to portray is that these are people wounded in the relentless pounding by US air strikes.
Did ya notice the guys carrying the litter? No dust, in fact their clothing looked bran new cleaned and pressed. It even looks like bran new shoes as well! Odd
Did ya notice at 1:11 to 1:13 the guy carrying left rear corner of the coffinâ;¦..is the same guy shirt and all that was on the litter! Same shirt without the blood.
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hdthehn
May 3, 2008, 4:09 p.m.injest-
Your right it is all BS. No one is being killed in Sadr city no one is being injured. The US soldiers aren't firing a shot and not killing anyone. Not the bad guys and surely not the good guys.
I hope one day you get over the brain washing that you willing accepted during your military service. Blind patriot is you my friend.
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injest
May 3, 2008, 4:31 p.m.hdthehn
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Your right it is all BS. No one is being killed in Sadr city no one is being injured."
Jovial said:
"The actual news story is on video"
"the transcript is not necessary"
We've been asked to judge this story based on the video, yes?
And if the video is a "Stage production" what does that tell us about the story?
Fake but true is not true it's just fake. Why would someone want to fake the truth?
This video has many markers that point to it being "staged"
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 4:58 p.m.Temper tantrum? Back up claim with actual facts. Not a bunch of hot air about not having dust on babies. Do you think people will fall for that crap, again? 7 years was enough.
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hdthehn
May 3, 2008, 6:05 p.m.injest-
STAGED just like the "Iraq has WMD" BS that Bush fed to the fools that suck up everything that they see on Fox news as true and just.
STAGED just like the "Iraq has WMD" BS that your hero Colin Powell fed to the fools that suck up everything that they see on Fox news as true and just.
STAGED just like the "MISSION ACOMPLISHED the USA and is allies have prevailed in the war on Iraq that Bush fed to the fools that suck up everything that they see on Fox news as true and just.
Where do you think the "stagers" of this video learned such a deceitful and dastardly technique? From your heroes in the Bush administration, maybe you think, just maybe? It's garanteed! And by the way no US soldiers raped a 14 year old Iraq child and murdered her and her family either.
Keep up the denial and deflection that you and the Bushites worship and dedicate yourselves to.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 6:56 p.m.injest, just another conspiracy theory. Are you insinuating there is no collateral damage in Sadr City, or are you just hoping this isn't true?
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injest
May 3, 2008, 8:11 p.m."injest, just another conspiracy theory. Are you insinuating there is no collateral damage in Sadr City, or are you just hoping this isn't true?"
"I cannot believe that a major news like this is not even remotely mentioned in CNN or CTV news."
Im not insinuating anything. I saying this video looks fake, staged, that's why you won't see it on any MSM, they see the same things I do.
Is there any supporting truths that this video is real?
That it was shot in Sadr city? No.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 9:42 p.m.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_Escobar
This guy doesn't sound like the Devil you are trying to make him out to be. As a matter of fact, you are the one who sounds like the quack.
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Shadowolf
May 3, 2008, 9:58 p.m.ML...
Once I thought InJest,Ani, and the other NeoConArtists were Political Prostitutes...I freely admit I was wrong...they do it for free...
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 4:29 p.m.People like you you will never accept the truth. Even if you see it. You're happy to reject anything that doesn't fit neatly into your idea of what's going on. They call that in psychology
"cognitive dissonance". The guy who's reporting that story is named Pepe Escobar. He's a journalist with major credentials. For him to put out a piece of propaganda against America as you are trying to imply is ludicrous. As is most statements that you make on propeller.
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Radiofreeeuropa
May 3, 2008, 5:53 p.m.injest, I'm just curious. There are remnants of a "copy and paste" in your opinion. It's fine to copy text from news items etc. for validity purposes but copying someone else's opinion?
What's up with that?
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CRYMTYPHON
May 4, 2008, 2:24 p.m.Injest:
A battle is going on in a city full of civilians, and you point out a wounded child, as proof that the claim of civilians dying, is false?
Forget whether you have a brain. Do you have a soul?
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Radiofreeeuropa
May 3, 2008, 5:49 p.m.Libsrwitty - believes the motto is "all the news that's sh*t".
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 6:46 p.m.Funny, I thought the same thing until I realized the audio voice matches the video picture of the one talking in it. The disclaimer you refer to is talking about the typed transcript (the subject of the disclaimer). It is not referring to the video and tape, just that it cannot gauranty the transcript of such. Nice try though libsr.
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Klarissa
May 3, 2008, 9:43 a.m.CNN 4-9-2008
Clashes in Sadr City, a Shiite enclave in the capital, has killed 67 Iraqis and wounded 243 since Sunday, and nine U.S. troops have died in Baghdad during the same period.
The Sadr City fighting reflects the intra-Shiite power struggle in Iraq between Iraqi security forces dominated by the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq and al-Sadr's Mehdi Army militia.
The upsurge in violence between Iraqi security forces and the Mehdi Army started with a March 25 government offensive in parts of the Shiite city of Basra in southern Iraq. It targeted what the government calls criminal elements.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 5:10 p.m.War is ugly, no one is denying that. But our enemy can cut off heads on the internet, not a word is said! No outrage, nothing!! If the terrorists cared about there own people. They would leave the cities and wage the war in the open. But they won't. This is good press for them and we here are helping them!! Maybe this is what is needed to expelled them from there towns/cities and force them in the open. And foreign fighters would be ran out of town. I know I d*mn sure would!!
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 5:13 p.m.They wouldn't show it here. And again I will remind you conservatives the one's lopping off American heads didn't come from Iraq. Do you guys all read from the same talking points?
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 5:17 p.m.I don't care if they come from Mars. A terrorist is a terrorist. And still YOU defend them. With countrymen like you, who needs an enemy. You just proved my point.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 5:26 p.m.Why did we pick Iraq? We could have just as easily invaded North Korea. Who determines what countries are terrorist? That was a extremely stupid statement. I never defended a terrorist I just bring the war to you, so you can quit denying what's going on.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 5:45 p.m.I have seen, first hand, what they are capable of doing. This story isn't why we went, so don't change the subject. And yes, you and people like you defend there every action. The terrorist can do no wrong, in your eyes. Who's side are you on? I know we are not perfect but the military bends over backwards, sometimes too far, to limit collateral damage. Mistakes are made , but the enemy does not play by our rules. If terrorist were all caring they would not expose there people to this danger.
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bubba2
May 3, 2008, 5:58 p.m.Why DID we go into Iraq? Who exactly do you think the 'enemy' is in Iraq?
I think you should tell us, because ALL of the justification to invade Iraq from the Bush administration was a bunch of lies.
There were no terrorists in Iraq before we invaded.
There certainly are some terrorists there NOW, because the administration totally screwed up the rebuilding and the containment of violence after they took Saddam out of power.
No one here is "defending terrorists". The insurgents (not necessarily 'terrorists') are definitely causing a lot of death and carnage in Iraq, and they are to blame. They do it because they want control.
Over 90% of the insurgents in Iraq are LOCALS. They are fighting each other - when Saddam's regime was removed, ALL control of those factions was relinquished.
The Iraqi religious factions all want control of the country. They are fighting each other for that control, and they are fighting us because they want US, the occupiers, OUT.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 5:59 p.m.Listen wrong story. I have talked about "why" until I was blue in the face. I must be hitting a nerve. That makes two people trying to change the subject.
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bubba2
May 3, 2008, 6:32 p.m.Bull.
You didn't answer the question, which is no surprise ... and no one is changing the subject except you with your attempt to say so ...
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 7:16 p.m.Codi, please seek medical help quickly. You are absolutely hullicinating. Does "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" sound familiar to you? You are seeing terrorists under every Bush. You need help.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 11:52 p.m.But saying terrorists are not where they are is being hullucinatory, and that is sick.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 10:31 a.m.Are you afraid of dying in a car wreck? Probably not, but you are aware it can happen, so you put on a seatbelt. This is no different.
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ML2007
May 4, 2008, 3:03 p.m.Codi, making a preemptive strike on a sovereign nation for no good reason, killing hundreds of thousand innocent Iraqis, bankrupting our nation, and not having any kind of plan how to deal with an increasing volatile world over our actions is hardly any comparison to just putting a seat belt on to be saved in a car wreck. This is all the difference in the world, and you are insane for thinking otherwise.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 3:11 p.m.We had a good reason. Are you willing to take the word of a mad man? Saddam could had avoided the whole invasion. We could well still be in power. But he called a bluff on a losing hand.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:02 p.m.Gave you a pos by mistake ...
Didn't have to "take the word of a madman".
There was plenty of evidence that Iraq had NO WMDs by the time Bush took office, let alone when he invaded.
Here is just ONE bit of documentation for you.
Q&A: William Scott Ritter, former United Nations weapons inspector
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid...
"The U.S. used the inspection process and the unique access the inspectors had to gather intelligence on Saddam Hussein's security. That process exposed a link between U.S. intelligence-gathering activities and the work of the inspectors. That made the Iraqis very distrustful of the inspection process.
In 1998, I protested to the United States that their interference was destroying the credibility of this operation. In the last year of my work, 14 of my inspections were stopped, not by the Iraqis but by the United States government. That's why I resigned."
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:03 p.m.Also, your own government has proved - via 2 investigations since the invasion - that all of the reasons for invading Iraq were FALSE.
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Radiofreeeuropa
May 3, 2008, 5:59 p.m.Codi, you are mistaking criticism of the civilian leadership who caused this civil war and destabilization of the region with criticism of the troops and that is simply wrong.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 6:26 p.m.What is wrong is not supporting the civilian leadership,agree or not, so the military can fight this war the right way and win it. What is wrong, is making U.S. soldiers out to be murdering thugs and turning a blind eye to the actions of our enemy. What is wrong is Bill Clinton can say the exact same thing in '98 and did nothing.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 6:34 p.m.I don't blame the military, Codi. I blame the policy makers and this administration. I think you are taking this way too personal. The military are just doing the job given to them. They are doing the job quite well.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 6:39 p.m.Because I believe in this country and I believe in this war. This war was justified and it is all part of GWOT. If we lose or show weakness. They will not stop. These people have to be defeated. We have no other choice. If we want to survive as a nation. We have to win this by any means necessary. Yes, it sounds crude but they started it. They fought us for 10 years before 9-11. And if we as a nation don't understand this, then we as a nation are doomed to fall. And it will be our own fault!
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bubba2
May 3, 2008, 6:44 p.m.That's it with you ...
If you really still believe that the invasion of Iraq was justified, then you are so blinded by propaganda from Bush and the neocons that it is useless to 'converse' with you.
Your OWN government - the Republican controlled Senate in 2005-2006 and the Pentagon just a few weeks ago - have documented that all of the reasons to invade Iraq were FALSE.
Iraq was not 'fighting us'. They were our ALLIES in the 1980s when we helped them fight Iran.
Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers were SAUDIS - NOTHING to do with Iraq! Nothing!
If you don't get that, then you will never understand how you have been deceived by your own President.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 7:31 p.m."They will not stop." You don't know that Codi. "We have no other choice" Yes, we do. There is always a choice. You just aren't going to be the one to decide for us. Maybe you have obviously been traumatized so much you have lost all sane reasoning, or you are just another stooge of the Bush propaganda machine.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 11:29 p.m.You are the bigger stooge thinking terrorist will leave us alone if we leave the ME.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 11:57 p.m.LOL, So, I have your personal word, chicken little, that those big bad terrorists will never leave us alone. You don't seem to understand. I think we ought to go after the terrorists right into Pakistan where they are, something your fearless leader promised. They weren't in Iraq when we went there. Like I said, you wouldn't know a terrorist if he bit you on the ass, so peddle your pathetic lies somewhere else.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 12:57 a.m.Hit the wrong button ... was supposed to be a neg ...
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 11:47 p.m.Those people fought us for 10 years before 9-11. Now hope is drinking the kool-aid?
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ML2007
May 4, 2008, 12:01 a.m.Hey, stupid, the Muslim world and the ME have been fighting for thousands of years. Nothing Imperialistic we do is going to change them. No one has. We had a small opportunity to get Bin Laden and his group, the Saudi perpetrators of 911 and Bush blew it, YOUR Commander in Chief. Since you are trying to tie yourself with the SOB, maybe you will be man enough to stand up and hang with him when he is tried for war crimes. I sure your false patriotism will see you through.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 10:39 a.m.You can't blame all of this on GW. Yes, mistakes were made. BUT, Bill Clinton's failure to act is the biggest reason why things are , the way they are now.
Also, threatening a President with death is illegal!! You need to watch what you are saying on a public forum!!
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 12:57 p.m.There was NOTHING for Bill Clinton to "act on".
His administration did whatever they could to track down anyone that perpetrated any at attacks on Americans - here or elsewhere.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp
The REPUBLICANS dissed whatever Clinton did, because they were SO obsessed with trying to "get" Clinton on something to try to prove he was "bad", that they IGNORED the security problems and the growing threat. They actually accused Clinton of "wagging the dog" when he ordered air strikes on Afghanistan.
The REPUBLICANS in the 1990s paid no attention the growing terrorist threat. Then, when W took over, he was handed VOLUMES of intelligence data on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. What did he do with it? NOTHING!
That tactic of blaming Clinton is old and tired and is also concocted by the neocons and has no basis in fact.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 3:14 p.m.Clinton could have had UBL but refused. This what happens when 1: your enemy is at war and you are not 2: you fight a war though lawyers. Which is our problem now!
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:05 p.m.That 'story' was MADE UP by the neocons. That situation never happened and there is NO documentation to back it up. There is plenty of documentation - especially the 9/11 commission report - that DEBUNKS that fantasy.
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ML2007
May 4, 2008, 3:12 p.m.GWB was President when 911 occurred. He is the one who lied and made the preemptive strike on a sovereign soil. That is against international law. I made no threats to the Presidents life, so, why do you LIE you silly little ingrate? What I asked was were you going to "hang with Bush when he is tried for war crimes". That means he would be tried by an international court and if found guilty, which I think he would be, then would be hanged.
Codi, you must be about 12 years old, stupid, or you cannot read. Don't insinuate I threatened anyones life because it is not true. Just read the comments thoroughly before you take your foot out of your ass and insert it in your mouth.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 3:17 p.m.Explain it to the Secret Service when they come a knockin'.
If you want to blame one person for 9-11, hang that banner around Bill Clinton.
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ML2007
May 4, 2008, 3:42 p.m.LOL oh, I am sure the secret service is coming to me. This is another veiled piece of terror coming from a very immature and sick person. I did report you for the event, and will report you for this veiled threat. So, you also have a conspiracy theory that Clinton caused 911. You are a real sicko.
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Codi6934
May 5, 2008, 8:41 a.m.I never said a conspiacy theory. I said his failure to act lead to 9-11. If you are going to quote, GET IT RIGHT !!
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ML2007
May 5, 2008, 5:41 p.m."I said his failure to act lead to 911". What is the difference. You evidently think Clinton conspired and caused 911. Your theory is that since he wasn't hard enough on terrorist, in you opinion, surely that is what led to 911. I get the point, and it is still your conspiracy theory. Presidents rarely act alone. There is no evidence for such an idiotic theory, but you just espoused it. Still sick, sick, sick.
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Codi6934
May 8, 2008, 8:56 a.m.It took 5 years for anyone to mention Clinton's name in relation to 9-11. Face it Bill dropped the ball! He was too busy getting his balls blown by an intern. That isn't a conspiracy, that is a fact! He turned a blind eye while we had a storm heading in our direction.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:08 p.m.You cannot "hang that banner" on Clinton, although you surely keep trying. Funny how you can continue to defend President Bush when he has LIED so much to the American people.
That 'story' that Clinton 'had' Bin Laden but didn't 'move' to capture him was MADE UP by the neocons. That situation never happened and there is NO documentation to back it up. There is plenty of documentation - especially the 9/11 commission report - that DEBUNKS that fantasy.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 6:48 p.m.Yes war is hell, and yes we do have heroes. Brave men/women do things that would make your hair stand on end. If everybody here would put more energy in the effort to win this war, then to b*tch about it, it would had ended 2 years ago. You don't have to like GW, but make it known that we want to win this win not lose it. And quit posting comments about the military being thugs, murderers or victims(not you personally, but other stories)Soldiers are the first ones to say they want to war to end but let's win this one before we come home.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 6:58 p.m.We're fighting the population of a country. I don't think we can kill enough of them, and still try to hold on to the moral high ground. Sometimes you have to back-up and realize what you are doing isn't right and cease. We quit in Vietnam, but it didn't turn out that bad 30 years later. The Iraqi's can eventually become our friends if we stop killing so many of them.
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 11:33 p.m.Check your history on what happen to Southeast Asia after the fall of Siagon. Since we leave SE Asia, check your history on what happened to Southern Africa. Nothing ever happens in a vaccum. That is the problem ,Americans are so short sighted. You need to study history. You will never know were you are going if you don't know where you can from.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 1:03 p.m.Try reviewing history yourself. Vietnam happens to be doing pretty good these days. In spite of the claims that communism would spread all over Asia and then over here, it NEVER happened and Vietnam has LONG since recovered from that "war".
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CactusAnnie
May 4, 2008, 1:11 a.m.Jovial, what is the matter with you. That Pos on your statement was an intended neg.
The Iraqis are our allies, the terrorist infested in that poor country are both of our enemies. I am just glad they are there and not here or Central America, or Grenada anymore!!
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 1:01 p.m.The only terrorists that have "infiltrated" Iraq are the ones that entered that country AFTER we had invaded and then trashed it and its people.
Over 90% of the Iraqi insurgents are LOCALS, fighting each other for control and fighting us because they want the occupiers OUT of their country.
What the U.S. has done to Iraq is a PRIME invitation to bitter Muslims to become terrorists. Thanks to the Bush administration, the country of Iraq is in the worst shape ever. They have little to no clean water, little to no electricity, little to no sanitation, over 50% unemployment, food shortages, sectarian violence, and over 3 million displaced refugees. The mortality rate for children under 5 is the highest in that country's history, and women now have NO rights whatsoever and are being kidnapped and murdered just for not wearing a veil or for attempting to work for a living.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 7:35 p.m.What exactly would be winning this war, Codi. Would it be when we make Iraq exactly like America, is that it? We are not going to lose the war, what we are going to do is the right thing. We are going to admit we mistakenly attacked a sovereign nation and leave it. We are not going to offer to pay for our mistakes because we can't, but we are going to apologize to the dismay and disdain of the rest of the world. On top of that, we are going to hand Bush, Cheney, and all their cronies over to an International tribunal to be tried and convicted of war crimes. Are you one of their cronies, codi?
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bubba2
May 3, 2008, 6:35 p.m.No - no blind loyalty. That is NOT democracy. That is Hitler.
I have EVERY right to question my government. That IS democracy.
You do not have to like me for questioning my government, and I don't care if you don't.
I will NOT support our "leadership" (Bush) when they have lied to me and deceived me and have WASTED my tax dollars and have participated in the unnecessary killing of our soldiers and innocent people.
What EXACTLY is it that Clinton said that was so offensive? He sure as hell didn't start any unjustified wars.
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ML2007
May 3, 2008, 7:28 p.m.Codi, that is the trouble. You don't know anything about the right way to fight war or win it. Yes, you are right that it is wrong to make our military into murdering thugs. Some are, but the greatest overwhelming majority are just serving their country like I did in the Vietnam era, but if you want to come out a winner as serving your country in this war, then, I don't think I would be skirting the truth about the war. This war in Iraq was never about the terrorist and was based upon multiple lies to the true patriots of this country. The civil war now being waged between the Maliki government and Al-Sadr's armies is civil. This war will never completely be won, if History tells us anything. The video makes a good point of why. We are occupying a sovereign nation for no reason. Get over it. Stop buying Bush's and the military's propaganda.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 6:17 p.m.I am showing people the damage that's being done in the name of the war on terror. I didn't write this story. I just dug it out of hiding and put it out there for people that normally wouldn't dig that deep. Sue me. a lot of the people you call terrorists are just ordinary citizens that want an occupying army out. They are tired of us meddling in their affairs. Why can't you take a look at that without getting personally offended?
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Codi6934
May 3, 2008, 6:33 p.m.Because you don't know what it feels like to see your countrymen complain and hide behind the liberties that I have defended. Because this is the greatest nation in the world and we have an enemy that wants us to fall. Do you think if we were to leave , they would leave us alone? Thinking like that gave us 9-11. What will it take to get it through your skull, a mushroom cloud!! Islamic terrorism is the greatest threat to this nation then, fascism, communism combined.
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jovial
May 3, 2008, 6:35 p.m.IRAQ, would have never attacked us. In that I strongly believe.
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 10:48 a.m.Read the transcript of the interview with Colin Powell on Larry King Live and Meet the Press, read the transcript of the FBI interrogator that was with Saddam. We didn't know, had no way of knowing , Saddam was playing a shell game, waiting to get the sanctions lifted.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 1:11 p.m.Read the transcript of the man who was interviewed on 60 minutes recently, who was Saddam's primary 'interrogator' after he was captured.
Saddam was playing a shell game alright, but not the one you try to imply.
Saddam ultimately said that he had destroyed almost all of their "WMD" type weapons long before Bush launched the invasion. He said he really thought that Bush would not invade his country.
Also, the weapons inspectors were hindered more by the U.N. and by the U.S. than by anyone in Iraq. The inspectors were proving that there were, indeed, no WMD in Iraq. That was not what Bush wanted to hear, so he pulled them.
Q&A: William Scott Ritter,
former United Nations weapons inspector
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Codi6934
May 4, 2008, 3:08 p.m.Saddam kept up the ruse in fear Iran would invade. He still had the intent to re-start the program AFTER he got the sanctions lifted. Saddam could had stopped the invasion at anytime. No one could prove a thing. We were not the only ones that thought he had them. Our hand was forced, invade and we might or might not find something, or continue with the BS game of U.N. resolutions,(taking his word) that was only hurting the people of Iraq and not him.
What no one thinks of is , his sons take power. And they have a new re-started WMD program. This whole cylce starts over again.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:12 p.m.Saddam had NO WMD and had no intention of "restarting" it.
We WERE the only ones that thought Iraq had WMDs. Bush was "forced" by NO ONE! That is totally inane and ludicrous.
Here is some information for you - from someone who WAS a weapons inspector in Iraq.
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid...
Q&A: William Scott Ritter,
former United Nations weapons inspector
The U.S. used the inspection process and the unique access the inspectors had to gather intelligence on Saddam Hussein's security. That process exposed a link between U.S. intelligence-gathering activities and the work of the inspectors. That made the Iraqis very distrustful of the inspection process.
In 1998, I protested to the United States that their interference was destroying the credibility of this operation. In the last year of my work, 14 of my inspections were stopped, not by the Iraqis but by the United States government. That's why I resigned.
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bubba2
May 4, 2008, 8:13 p.m.But you won't believe that. You will believe the lies from Bush and from FOX News, but you won't believe an actual witness.
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