Psst, America did you forget about Iraq? »
Posted by: populist 3 months, 2 weeks ago59 CommentsReflectReport this Story
We hate to interrupt this Hillary-Obama-McCain fixation, your focus on an economic down turn, high health care costs, exorbitant gas prices, death of the dollar or your latest dance team...or worse yet...American Idol, but put down the beer and chips or Ice cream and tune in. We are being driven to ruin daily by a war that is virtually ignored.
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Jaydee40
April 8, 2008, 11:41 a.m.Once again you make us think beyond the monitory costs, the personal costs that society will be paying for years.
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ecotourusa
April 8, 2008, 12:05 p.m.and, if the war in Iraq continues, it will surpass the money spent on accommodating illegal aliens for over 40 years. no wonder we are bankrupt.
here is an example of Ron Paul's stance on illegal immigration: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-securi...
and, his stance on Iraq:
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GHOSTWHOWALKS
April 8, 2008, 12:48 p.m.I think that is why no one will allow the Dr. to actually speak. They are afraid of the truth and will accept idiots like Le Muffette Jr, A racist bigot, and a liar in a pant suit.
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mesodude
April 8, 2008, 8:06 p.m."and, if the war in Iraq continues, it will surpass the money spent on accommodating illegal aliens for over 40 years. no wonder we are bankrupt."
--Wasn't sure if that was a typo but America is 400 years old. Not 40. Just thought I'd let ya know. ;-P
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jordan11
April 8, 2008, 12:02 p.m.A few million emails, letters, phone calls to our errant media & their advertisers might get us back on track. Surely there are a few million who give a damn?
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AnteUp
April 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m.jordan11 ~
I pound out stuff to the networks all the time - and calls
to Representatives and Senators too - but it's the lack of
media coverage that we deserve that infuriates me the most.
I get automatic responses - I don't think they really read
them - do you? So, have you got a plan? I'm game.
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sumptuousdigs
April 8, 2008, 1:49 p.m.Nope, it'll take a National schism...like it did in 1968, likely violent confrontation, and many arrests. You'll remember the porky repub that challenged Ms. Sheehan? Certainly he felt his contribution to America's security was much more important than hers! Unfortunately there are many Roves and Coulters out there, that will lead from the bunker, while the volksturmen faithfully carry the banner to a futile and destructive end.
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TheRealizer
April 8, 2008, 2:04 p.m.Until the American public get their heads out of their anterior orfice and start to make noise, nothing will change. We desperatly need a viable third party canditate to run in the (I hope) upcoming elections......
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AnteUp
April 8, 2008, 2:25 p.m.TheRealizer ~
We need the introduction of an unbiased - and FREE, not
subscriber based - media that will ask questions and bring
up subjects that are not on the Top Ten of the media
conglomerates.
I heard just this morning that CBS is mulling over using
reports and reporters from CNN instead of their own.
Tighter and tighter the noose around our dream of Democracy
- you do not have a free society if you don't have a curious - rather than questionable media.
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jordan11
April 8, 2008, 7:18 p.m.We desperatly need a viable third party canditate to run in the (I hope) upcoming elections......>>>>>
And what will you do to make sure big money doesn't get to that candidate? And I don't care who is elected President. Nothing will change because Congress is dysfunctional as hell! The only thing that will save this country is EDUCATED people, and they won't be educated on squat as long as the media is under the control of a few rich people with their own agendas.
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canadianrancher57
April 8, 2008, 2:04 p.m.I have read alot of comments on this war and one that usually shows up sometime in each story is if we don't fight them over there we will be fighting them here in this country. the more I read of how the vets from this war are being treated and also the number that are taking their own lives after they come home it makes me wonder if someday soon there will be violence in your country because of this war. To me the battle that has yet to be fought will be not in some foreign county but on the streets of your nation, and if you are in doubt of that just look at what happened in my country of Canada after the first world war, men came home to no jobs and it did not take many years before we had the Winnipeg Riots.
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ML2007
April 8, 2008, 2:36 p.m.A well written and timely piece. I am afraid this information is much like secret information hidden in dark government archives no politico wants discovered. Therefore, they do all they can to squelch the information so that it never comes to light. The truth I am afraid is that we have a do nothing set of politicians running our government who care more about lining their own pockets than they do about the direction our country is taking. I am afraid we are going to do nothing about Iraq, let alone our returning soldiers. Since we cannot garner a third party candidate worthy of the task, I have kept hoping Obama may be the fresh breath of air we need to lead us toward real change. Certainly McCain and Clinton offer nothing more than the status quo and Corporate dominance. Reminded of a quote from a Classic, Fiddler on the Roof, "wouldn't this be a good time for the Messiah to come?"
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engineer
April 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m.Great read. I'm glad you brought it to the forefront again, lest we forget
Thanks Populisr
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tchef
April 8, 2008, 3:48 p.m.Excellent article. With all the other problems at home many have forgotten the war. Now that things are starting to heat up there again the focus will shift. We need to find a way to end this thing. I really feel that if we leave today or if we leave in 10 years the outcome will be the same. You will see a civil war and the country will end up a theocracy like Iran.
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newbie0420
April 8, 2008, 4:45 p.m."We need to find a way to end this thing."
While I agree I don't think we should blow our load early and end up with a head-ache nine months later.
I feel Iraq has been making progress and if we did pull out today it COULD be disastrous. Then again it could be good as the Iraqi people realize it's all on them to fix their country, but IMO I think we owe it to Iraq to finish the job we started.
I've already lost two close friends in Iraq and I don't want their lives to be in vain.
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newbie0420
April 8, 2008, 3:57 p.m.Is this story just spam or something. I noticed at the bottom it asks:
"If you enjoyed this post, please make a donation to help keep this website active"
Should this be reported or something?
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AnteUp
April 8, 2008, 4:20 p.m.newbie0420 ~
I don't think so. So long as all they are offering is
opinion, or news, and not products I think it's okay.
The Nation usually makes a plea for donations as well - just like my PBS radio station this week...groan! I know they have to - but it's getting harder to get support with our current economic crunch, so it is lasting a particularly long time. I already gave and I'd like my Jazz back - lol!
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texangelwings
April 8, 2008, 5:23 p.m.The Goal; Peace on earth for everyone aroung the world!
Thanks for the good comments above!
Thanks pop, this was a good reminder!
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SwampFox-82nd
April 8, 2008, 11:13 p.m.I've not forgotten our Brothers and Sisters were dispatched over a damned lie! I shall never forget what Bush did to our word towards our allies; nor, shall I ever forgive that slime-bucket-carpet-bagger for what he did to the REAL Texas!
Ask how many Texicans pocketed a damned penny after Enron stole all those 401-Ks of the hundreds, if not thousands, of employees' retirement funds -- that our own government insures against these acts of stealing from those who worked for it.
GOP, you must be tickled to death the very people who voted for your sorry ass president, are doing so without the mega-bucks???
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ETproductions
April 9, 2008, 12:06 a.m.The costs of the Iraq war have been enormous. One half a trillion dollars to date. The long term cost including repair and replacement of equipment, veterans care, etc. is projected to top out at $3 trillion if we stop now.
Bush clearly doesn't have the slightest intention of stopping now. Listening to General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker testify on Capitol Hill today, it became perfectly clear that the is NO EXIT STRATEGY. Every question aimed at establishing what criteria would be needed to begin a full withdrawal were met with obfuscation and dissembling on the part of Petraeus and Crocker.
Bush's plan from day one was a permanent occupation force in Iraq. Petraeus and Crocker know that saying that is political suicide, hence the tap dancing show we witnessed.
The Iraq war strengthened Iran. It took out Saddam who was a mortal enemy of bin Laden. It bogged us down in sectarian violence we don't even understand. And it gave Bin Laden a massive recruiting tool.
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ETproductions
April 9, 2008, 12:22 a.m.Now we a flirting with electing John McCain as the next President and Commander in Chief -- a man who can't keep straight in his mind who we are even fighting. I have tremendous respect for McCain's selfless service to the USA in another war that should have never been authorized and never been fought.
But putting a buffoon in charge of our war efforts when he constantly confuses Iraq, Iran, Al Qaeda, Sunnis, Shiia. That's lunacy. What positive results can possibly come from having a Commander in Chief who doesn't know who the real enemy is or why we should be fighting the real enemy instead of some straw man he has erected so he can look strong on defense?
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CRYMTYPHON
April 9, 2008, 12:56 a.m.I am catching the idea that some of the libertarians are a little discouraged about Ron Paul's silencing by the MSM.
I'm a standard left-wing democrat; so I side with about half the libertarian philosophy.
But I am sure that this election I have seen more Libertarian support than in the last 30 years. I have heard more praise for Ron Paul than for anyone but Obama. (and much of it was from younger people ).
Most impressive to me, Populist and company have been serious voices to end the war, to realize Iraq is not a partisan issue but a crime. The figures are dead bodies, ruined lives, lost honor; not stats.
Now if you guys would only drop the stuff about the gold standard...
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cowboygrandpa
April 9, 2008, 4:21 a.m.I will just say this. Are the lives we are wasting for oil worth the sorrow?
Are those who come home so messed up that they feel suicide is the only way out, telling us more than we can understand?
Do we as a nation want the blood of our young soldiers on our hands for the profit of a few?
Do we accept the wholesale slaughter of civilians as part of the cost of a war where only the wealthy win?
Do we raise our children to think we are the only nation worth survival?
Shall we let go of our past and become what Bush/Hitler and his minnions want?
My God people. How much more do we take before we impeach this fouled up lying pretender?
I didn't fight for my country so it could slide down the tube like this.
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smartsweetheart
April 9, 2008, 10:01 a.m.What does this epidemic number of suicides tell us? It tells us that even military drill and psychological efforts aren´t able to completely turn a human being into a killing mashine or a beast (At least, I hope so!). It can´t be true that these young men are burned-out (in the truest sense of the word) first and then handed on to the psychiatrists! The human soul is quite a good indicator for if a behaviour is adequate to our species or not: When someone is forced to act against his deepest convictions too often, there seem to be only two ways out: getting aggressive against others, or getting aggressive against yourself by committing suicide.
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Francisca
April 9, 2008, 10:11 a.m.Thanks Populist! I think everybody ought to read your story and the comments above....It would have been so easy to try to fight with only words and certainly less expensive! It would have avoid Hatred, thousands of deaths, and these "widespread damages". We can't stop thinking after a such reading! Thanks
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PresidentBuckheadd
April 9, 2008, 10:58 a.m.Psst, America did you forget about Iraq?
Nope, not President Buckheadd.
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joeblowe
April 9, 2008, 11:25 a.m.A fine essay. I recommend all read it and give it some thought. After 5 years, it does seem as though we can now confidently predict that this occupation of Iraq is likely to end up doing us more harm than good.
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