Jordan the 'torture capital' »
Posted by: jovial 4 months, 3 weeks agoThe CIA secretly transported at least 14 war on terror detainees to Jordan between 2001 and 2004, making it the top "rendition" destination at that time, Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS4 months, 3 weeks ago
Nope. Our hands are steeped in the blood and will become one of the most hated people on the face of the earth and we had nothing to say-that made a difference-about the cause and effect of Le Muffette's failures.
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markoller4 months, 3 weeks ago
How much proof would it take to convince you? The demolition of the Twin Trade Towers with explosives is better documented than the bombing of Pearl Harbor. There are only to 8mm films of the bombing, and the combined length is about ten minutes.
From: "wblad"
Subject: Pearl Harbor movies
"There were two hand held 8mm movie cameras in private hands at the Pearl Harbor attack and both recorded parts of the battle. The most important was footage shot by a doctor on the hospital ship Solace which caught the Arizona exploding. Still frames from this film have been printed often. Both cameras only contained about 10 minutes worth of film and are very grainy. Only long shots were possible, zoom lenses were many years in the future."
http://smmlonline.com/archives/VOL0903.txt
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
"Then you can claim your hands are clean. Are they really?"
Sure are. And the goofball who said we will become one of the most hated people on the face of the Earth is full of it.
Besides, liberals tell us over and over the Bush administration hasn't the ability to work with Middle East nations.
Interesting the allegations are at least 4 years old. If this were such a pressing issue, why'd it take so long? I also wonder if there was a specific reason people were handed over to other nations -- like maybe they were wanted to answer for other crimes.
More liberal whining for people who wouldn't think twice about blowing up innocent people - including babies.
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
There is no "becoming" one of the most hated people on the face of the earth ...
We already ARE the most hated country and people on the planet, thanks to the greedy, evil, self-serving actions of the Bush administration.
You are correct - the Bush admin does NOT have the ability to work with ANY nations, including the middle east. That is a fact, documented by COUNTLESS incidents over the last 7 years.
The allegations are "old" because the Republicans and the neocons and the right-wing judges have blocked the attempts by the Democrats to DO anything about any of it. If you haven't figured that out, then you really ARE not paying attention to anything that resembles the TRUTH.
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
There is NOTHING to back up any sort of "claim" that any of "those people" were planning to blow up ANYONE.
There was NO specific reason that ANY of those people were "handed over". If they really HAD committed any crimes against America, there would be something called EVIDENCE to support the claim and there would be no need to KIDNAP and HIDE people and TORTURE them in some sort of ludicrous 'plan' to get them to confess to "something".
"Interesting" the LACK of any EVIDENCE that any of those "rendered" people did ANYTHING wrong.
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markoller4 months, 2 weeks ago
I thought I had seen it all, until I read "A Dialogue With Gerard Holmgren." It untangles all the lies, contradictions and confusion about the 'hijacked' airliners, the passengers and the pilots of September 11. It is also a shocking expose of the press. Gerard Holmgren wrote, "Most journalism is just plagiarism of hearsay." It even exposes the toppling of Saddam Hussein's statue as a computer generated hoax. And it eliminates any doubt that we live in an Orwellian world in which every word the government and press says is a lie.
Download http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/04/13/a-di... Although it is 31 pages long, it is worth taking the time to read. And visit Gerard Holmgren's website. It is not a shill website; Holmgren tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
Amazing. Some just can't make the connection with people hating us, & the things our government does, and has done, in our names. Some will continue to chant "they hate our freedom"
& wallow in their self righteous stupidity.
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engineer4 months, 3 weeks ago
Under the evils in the White House and Blair house and their henchmen, I'm not surprised at anything
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hyperbola4 months, 3 weeks ago
How full the world is of lying hypocrites!
Israel's Tehran connection: Happily buying Iranian Oil
Do No Evil รข;; Israel, while supposedly observing an ironclad boycott of all things Iranian, is happily buying Iranian oil. Meanwhile, the US State Dept. follows ZionCon directives and criticizes Switzerland for buying Iranian gas.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/04/08/...
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Ruggaboo4 months, 3 weeks ago
Who gives a ******...some of these keyboard heroes gonna change things with AOL as their sword?
Lets talk about the Islamic murder cults and the head lopping thugs supported from the Iranian dole.
"Fight fire with fire."
Forget civilities on the battlefield...I prefer to kill my enemy straight out.
Keeping their leaders around to pick their brains is just plain smart. Let 'em waterboard all day long with the Beach boys blaring in the background.
This way you crying liberal milk toasts can keep your fancy, pastel colored condos and lazy lifestyles, whilst all the while bemoaning the people who make it possible.
Shut up already.
Support the Fisher house or a local charity and donate time...do something constructive.
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markoller4 months, 3 weeks ago
These links should convince anyone who is not blind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9FAWi_u1hg&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osKAs4y5XhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFfvQJ1r9-Q
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m61elAh5F1c
Also check out,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI&NR=1
http://www.geocities.com/evian0630fra/EV000binl...
http://www.911myths.com/html/rumsfeld__9_11_and...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/quickindex/in...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/seekin.php
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ETproductions4 months, 3 weeks ago
The sickest part of this is that we paid Afghan warlords $10,000 per arrest to grab "terrorists" and turn them over to us. Now given this size bounty, many a warlord just grabbed some poor jerk who was either a nobody or who had previously peeved him. They turned them in to the CIA with an imaginary rap sheet, and the CIA turned them over to states who would torture them until they admitted to whatever trumped up charges the warlord had supplied.
Many of such detainees are still in custody in Guantanamo with no hope of ever getting out. Bush league justice. May it soon be applied to him.
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ETproductions4 months, 3 weeks ago
Replying to Rugaboo above: Typical RepugniCon answer. Never deal with facts. Just attack the messenger. Smear and Fear and name call.
Here's just one specific. Murat Kurnaz is a Turkish citizen of German decent, and was in the precess of becoming a German Citizen when he was arrested in Pakistan in 2001. The now infamous Curveball claimed that he was a go-between in meetings between al Qaeda and Saddam.
The Bush Administration REALLY wanted this phony connection to be true because it would help them sell an invasion of Iraq. So the CIA used extraordinary rendition to take Kurnaz to Afghanistan where he was hung by his hands in a cold aircraft hanger for 5 days. He was given electric chocks. He had his head held under water while being punched in the stomach, forcing him to breathe in water and experience the sensation of drowning.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2008/04/yoo-t...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
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ETproductions4 months, 3 weeks ago
The torture only stopped after he falsely confessed to meetings we now know beyond a shadow of doubt never happened. Saddam and Osama were in fact mortal enemies, not allies. Curveball has been exposed as a drunk and a pathological liar.
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hyperbola4 months, 3 weeks ago
Boy, one has to want to be ignorant to put those questions at this late date.
Many legal and other human rights organizations have addressed this. One good source is here:
The Legal Prohibition Against Torture
Key Questions
What is torture?
What laws prohibit torture?
Do non-citizens in the U.S. have the same right not to be tortured as U.S. citizens?
Can a person be compelled to provide evidence?
Can limited physical force be used during interrogations?
Is the use of "truth serums" permitted?
Are there any situations in which torture is permitted?
Shouldn't torture be permitted if its use will save lives?
Does the U.S. lose valuable information if torture is prohibited?
May the U.S. send detainees to other countries to be questioned?
What are the remedies against torture?
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/11/TortureQandA.h...
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markoller4 months, 3 weeks ago
HMMace,
Do you have any objection to torturing Muslims. You certainly have no objection to murdering them. I quote from "Radio Host Tears Into 'Offended' Muslim," page 11, "I am ready now--give me a sniper gun, and where is the nearest mosque??? As the old saying goes--"Kill them all, and let god sort out the "good" ones." Do you still feel that way? And what makes you think Muslims have a monopoly on terrorism? You should look at yourself in a mirror.
In case you think Arab hijackers were to blame for the World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorism, then explain your reasoning. I do not think you can, anymore than you can explain why a triangle has five sides.
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markoller4 months, 3 weeks ago
The treatment of Murat Kurnaz meets the definition of toruture even according to the Yoo memo.
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