Do No Evil – Five years ago, the US government presented what it said was proof that Iraq harbored biological weapons. The information came from a source developed by German intelligence -- and it turned out to be disastrously wrong. But to this day, Germany denies any responsibility.
What's particularly funny about this German angle is the German government was AGAINST going to war.
Lest we forget:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/ira...
Germany didn't want to go to war because of its own source. That should have been a sign. Don't you think?
I seem to recall that several high ranking officials in the German government were in bed with Sadaam profiting by sales of goods, including weapons, banned by several UN sanctions.
I recall Curveball's intelligence not panning out.
Which is more pertinent?
More pertinent? Neither. The one added to the "missinformation", the other goes to explain why Germany (as well as France & Russia for the same reasons) were against acting on that info.
"I seem to recall that several high ranking officials in the German government were in bed with Sadaam profiting by sales of goods, including weapons"
Uh-Oh did the Germans, Ronnie Raygun, and Saddam have a threesome going on or what? Or did you mean after GHWB stabbed his trading partner in the back over Kuwait. In that case you should know Haliburton was in the thick of it as well.(Not to mention their shady dealing with Iran)
Pure madness, conducted by a lying maniac!
This guy is responsible for the death of 4,000 U.S. servicemen and women, and the death of upwards of 90,000 to 1.2 million of his own countrymen. Curveball is in fact a bigger murderer than Saddam.
Some people have their heads stuck in the sand. I have no doubt that Iraq and multiple other countries are hiding production biological and chemical warfare. I am sure the US is one of them as well. Humans are power hungry and will go to war at the drop of a hat in order to gain that power. This means going to any lengths to obtain it. Don't kid yourselves by thinking that Weapons of mass destruction do not exist.
Maybe we should attack more countries. Why not attack India, they have some. Then Pakistan, Russia, and China. We should attack Israel as well. Ultimately we'd be left with total control of all the worlds Nuclear and biological weapons. Is that the goal? Or do we choose which countries should have them? Attack them if we have the slightest inkling that they may even have the capability of making them? Proliferation of Wmd is promoted by us. Countries know that if they have them, they are less likely to be attacked by aggressive countries. We have shown the world that. Any country that has a nuclear capability is given more negotiating power. Iraq didn't have it, so they were occupied and bombed back into the stone age.
This story makes clear to me that the work of secret intelligences is far fom beeing independent and beeing dedicated only to truth. "Curveball" really seems to be an excellent communicator, when nobody had the idea to ask for validation. Information was passed on like in the game "Stille Post" and what came out at the end was, call it a miracle, exactly the missing link, the Bush administration needed to justify the Iraq war. Concerning the role of the BND, I would state that it was nearly a tragic-comical one: The unknown feeling of beeing informed even better than the famous CIA seems to have deleted every natural doubt.
Are the wackos still printing this crap? They did find chemical and biological weapons in Iraq. It's just that the Communist News Network (CNN) or Nothing But Crap (NBC) networks or any of the nazi liberals are smart enough to admit such a thing. The liberals were wrong! Face up to it. You'll be happier in the long run. IDIOTS!
The liberal media crap once again? Who owns the media? And who decides what will be disseminated?
The real news story of recent years is not whether this newspaper, or that news anchor, is biased but rather to what extent the entire news industry is organized to communicate conservative views and push our politics to the rightâ;;regardless of how "liberal" any given reporter may be.
William Kristol, without a doubt the most influential Republican/neoconservative publicist in America today, has come clean on this issue. "I admit it," he told a reporter. "The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."
WHat actually happened was that no one actually took the time to check out the story. Germany told Britain, Britain accepted it. The US looked to Britain to validate the story, Britain said it checked out. Britain looked to the US, assuming it also did the fact checking, nothing, so they accepted it. It was a He Said / She Said gone terribly wrong. Now it is an utter defeat for US policies abroad and show of superiority.
What did they lady say in that one movie? "They are pixelated"?
I will tell you why Germany did not act on it.I was living in Germany at the time. Gehardt Schroder the Kannsler (President)of the SPD (Democratic party) was running for re-election. He refused to go to war even before the weapon inspectors gave their report because he needed the green vote to get re-elected.
Let me also re-mind everyone one that Germany had signed every resolution threating war before that.
Also in the first gulf war Germany tried to use the old law that they were not allowed to send any soldiers outside of Germany put was pointed out by the UN that the law was abolished along with all laws of the 4 lands occupying Germany when Germany was given the right to unify. (East and west Germany).
It is really quite incredible how ignorant Americans are about this history. This particular article seems to try to offload "guilt" for Bush lies onto the Germans. This has been known to be a lie for at least 4 years already.
Germans accuse US over Iraq weapons claim
Luke Harding in Berlin The Guardian, Friday April 2 2004
An Iraqi defector nicknamed Curveball who wrongly claimed that Saddam Hussein had mobile chemical weapons factories was last night at the centre of a bitter row between the CIA and Germany's intelligence agency.
German officials said that they had warned American colleagues well before the Iraq war that Curveball's information was not credible - but the warning was ignored....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/02/ira...
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Intelligence that was diastrously wrong! Yet still the war mongerers claim that continuation of this policy is legitimate and acceptable!
Oh man.
As a Conservative, I wish this story would just disappear.
It is just so much dramatic proof that our GW is a complete dolt.
Course, we all knew that when we elected him. I mean we Fundamentalists elected him with 96% of our votes.
And the rest of America voted for him on accounta we thought hed be more fun than Al Gore to have a beer with.
Well, this story just smacks us in the face and leaves a big "L" on our forehead!
I mean, we only voted for GW cause we dint think anything would liek 9/11 would happen.
I guess the only silver linin to this story submitted by Joviel is that this kinda story aint commonly reported by Mainstream Media here in this country.
Thats on accounta the fact that we Conservatives literally OWN mainstream media. And we dont allow any story to be aired that makes this administration look liek the incompetents they are.
Course, considerin the magnamity of their incompetence, some amount does trickle out.
Oh, and when some of GWs astonishing incompetence DOES trickle out - well, we lable that MORE EXAMPLES OF LIBURAL MEDIA.
heh heh heh, we Conservatives got America tied up in knots ever whicha way!!!
Why is this any longer even a topic for discussion? We now know that the intelligence was wrong, but more importantly we also know that the Bush Administration at the top levels KNEW it was wrong, and lied about it to the public because they thought that occupying Iraq would be easy (low hanging fruit) and would give them a permanent base from which to control the cheap flow of oil out of the Middle East. Turns out they were wrong about all that too.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09...
I seriously doubt it was to keep a flow of cheap oil out of the ME. I believe it was more to keep control on the FLOW itself and to increase profits by disrupting that flow. And you can see that dialy with the pipeline an oil fields sabotage in Iraq and the Republican apologists continually pointing at the insurgents.
Why are we still there? Because people still believe that Saddam had WMD. People still believe that it's perfectly justified to occupy and control Iraq indefinitely. People still believe that a military intervention in Iran would be justified as well.
Exactly. Some people wouldn't believe anything that detracts from their own presumptions of what is truth, or lies.
For example read this. Some think it is nothing but BS because the great man and decider says it is.
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html
Just another reason to impeach everyone from top to bottom.
would give them a permanent base from which to control the cheap flow of oil out of the Middle East.
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take out the word CHEAP...
Will, That's what I meant by "Turns out they were wrong about all that too." Oil was trading at $24 a barrel when we invaded Iraq. It's now over 4 times that price. Dunkirk may well be right.