Not 757 Hit the Pentagon on 9/11 »
Posted by: markoller 6 months agoThis website and the working links prove in every possible way that the jet crash into the Pentagon is a hoax. Let's see the shills explain away this evidence with something other than ad hominem attacks.
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markoller6 months ago
Also check out "NIST Implicitly Admits." http://911review.org/Reports/NIST.html
I quote:
In its recent reply to family members Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, scientists Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan, architect Richard Gage and the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, NIST states: "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."
Thus total free-fall collapse, even given NIST's ridiculous "initiation" scenario, is utterly impossible. The probability of it happening is exactly equal to the probability of the whole building suddenly falling upward and landing on the moon.
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Daylight6 months ago
9/11 was well planed operation to pin the blame on Muslims to start a war on Islam, Zionist Israel is the main culprit which killed 3000 American innocent lives, and it was an American and Israeli imperialist agenda in the Middle East. Invading Iraq would help steal the oil for the Necons to fatten their coffers and at the same time keep the Israel alive for a little longer. Recent war with Hizbolla was part of that strategy to redraw the map of the Middle East but the Western dream of keeping the Middle East under the control of the Zionist regime failed after the humiliating Israeli defeat in Lebanon. I hope American people will realize the danger of supporting Zionist crimes and atrocities in Palestine and the other part of the Muslim world.
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BB646 months ago
Daylight you and the other nuts are all wet. The Jews didn't do this and neither did your average Muslim. This was done by a terrorist organization run by Osama Bin Laden. He tried this in France but the police broke it up before they could act.
As to your other nonsense, Hezbola, Hamas or the PLO are terrorist organizations and should be treated as such. As to defeating Israel, you're kidding right? As far as I can tell, the Jews have never lost a fight with any Arab or Islamic army. And they probably won't. Simply put, if Israel wanted to take all of the Middle East, they have the weapons and power to do so. But unlike their Arab cousins, they do not hate their enemy.
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slate6 months ago
I have it on very reliable authority just how that faithful phone conversation went that set things into motion.
"Good Morning Mr. Bush this is Chairman Kadiddlhooper of the Evil One World Order Cabal. "Morning Mr. Chairman" "We have just completed our audit and have concluded that the coffers balance has fallen below 100 trillion dollars, which you know is unacceptable." 'Yes very unacceptable Mr. Chairman, what are the plans to solve this?"
"We have come up with a plan to solve that problem while simultaneously blaming it on Islam so we can put forth a plan to eradicate Muslims from the face of the Earth."
"Here's the plan. We plan to send in covert operations to the World Trade Center Complex and secretly run 300 miles of fuse cord and place 300 tons of explosives throughout the building complex." Don't worry, we'll disguise our operatives as cleaning ladies, no one will suspect a thing."
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slate6 months ago
"Then on September 11th of this year we will send cruise missiles disguised as 757s into the main towers, which should collapse the buildings and cause mass destruction and loss of lives." If for some reason the towers or surrounding buildings don't collapse, the structures left standing will be imploded with the pre-deployed explosives."
"The second stage of operation (Kill for Money and Pleasure) is to also send one disguised missile into the pentagon and one into a field somewhere in the Midwest as further distractions. Our group has also authored a story line of great heroism for the false plane that will crash into a field in the Midwest.
In an attempt to keep you above suspicion, we have made an appointment for you to be reading to schoolchildren when you 'receive the news'.
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slate6 months ago
"Once our plan has been carried out, what we need from you Mr. President is to rally the world against Islam so we can attack the Middle East, which will do two things. One is get rid of as many Muslims as possible 'especially women and children, you know we hate women and children' and two, to allow us to funnel money through Halliburton as well as steal oil in the region. " "Do you have any questions Mr. President?"
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slate6 months ago
"Yes a couple, how do we cover up the fact that the planes weren't real? Won't it be easy to look at the manifests and figure out the people on the flights are still alive?" Ah yes Mr. President, we have thought of that". The people and the actual planes scheduled that day will be high jacked by operatives from one of our black operations, taken to area 51 and properly disposed." " Ah very good"
"One more thing, I think we should find a way to sneak evidence of WMDs into Iraq, because I want to implement there as well. That @^#$#@ Saddam tried to off my daddy, and there is much oil there to plunder and many women and children to enjoy killing. Add to it the fact that it would be the perfect stepping stone to Iran!" 'Very good plan Chairman Kadiddlhooper let's get things rolling, I'll call Dick and tell him the great news," "This President thing is even more fun than flying fighter jets with a 5th of vodka in me."
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Centinel6 months ago
This is old news. Only the gullible, ignorant, dumbed down masses still believe the lies. Anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of science and physics knows fool well that what occurred could not possibly have been what has been "explained" by the "spin doctors". Unfortunately, the "gullible" constitute a majority.
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markmawn26 months ago
Spin doctors work on both sides. Perhaps this was deliberately spun by the spinners to tailspin the conspiracists into ignoring the facts and misleading you into a bigger lie.
What can be accomplished by believing in a bigger lie? What are YOU going to do about it? Essentially nothing! Once you are ferreted out of your hole they can pick you off easier. Now the waters are so cloudy it looks like there is no water left at all.
Brilliant!
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BB646 months ago
First off, I have a PhD in Physics. Being in the conventional and nuclear power industry this helps a bit. Please explain using my sciences how this was done by a conventional missile. Unless there was a new magic land based missile, the Russians, Chinese, British, French or Americans have nothing with the strike capabilities we saw on 9-11. An air strike wouldn't have been possible to cover up. There are over 10 radar locations in and around the DC area. No secret is ever secret.
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memestryker6 months ago
Not to mention those who actually saw it happen. They saw...a plane! I lost colleagues in that horrific attack, and it blows my mind to read the conspiracy theories. People are gullible and ignorant. But that's obvious.
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Redneck6 months ago
So how does one explain the flight/plane that went missing that day which "did not hit the pentagon?" Does not the record show that a flight disappeared that day and those on the flight died? The flight manifest would be enough. Contact the people who are "allegedly" dead and see if they can tell you the truth!
I have not seen any evidence to answer these questions. It should be simple enough to find. Anyone know?? Show me.
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markoller6 months ago
The only thing I can think of is that jet was crashed in the ocean, beyond the continental shelf. I do not know what the significance is, but the passengers were hardly a random cross section of airline passengers. See http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passenge...
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markmawn26 months ago
Don't believe the ant-spin. There are photos of 757 parts. Sadly they have all been excluded from this presentation. Essentially a 757 is a hollow aluminum tube with not much mass. The most mass is in the engines, and they were found, and photographed. The wings folded up and went backwards as the fuselage entered the wall. Inside the pentagon were the wheels.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655...
This site is great for conspiracies, yet shows proof of the 757. Yet most of you will discard this because you want to belive in the skull and bones fairies.
You guys are so full of crap.
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markmawn26 months ago
Review the facts
# Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
# Rims found in building match those of a 757
# Small turbine engine outside is an APU
# Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
# Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
# Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
# Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
# Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
# Large diesel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
# Large diesel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
# Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
# Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
# 60 bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage
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BB646 months ago
I just read through the whole "factual" bunch of crap. They're showing photos of an Aluminum clad Tower 1 and then the Pentagon claiming the debris patterns should be the same. They shouldn't. The Pentagon is mad of Granite, steel and lots of concrete. Over the last year, they're were reinforcing that same ares to withstand a car bomb. The hit on that tower was almost a glancing blow, the pilot almost missed.
This whole series of stories leads me to think it is a conspiricy. All being lead by those supporting the terrorists. I haven't read a single report, letter, note or whatever, to support any claims. The "experts" are in many cases the same guys listening to Art Bell, reading tea leaves and waiting for the next commit to free them. There is also a group here who would spread any lie simply to attack or blame the President. Words fail me to describe the utter disgust and contempt I have for those two groups.
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markmawn26 months ago
You can watch this Norman Mineta testimony yourself. Explains it all pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v/fTdAkhd6Dcw&l=23...
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cloud156 months ago
Mark Roller please do me a favor and call the families of the those who died on that plane, and then after the go talk to some eye witnesses. Thats all the proof you need to know what exactly happened on that day.
The saddest part of the conspiracy theories is that many of the supporters WANT the government to be responsible. They don't care about the truth or the families. They constantly spin numbers and make false allegations just so they can make a fantastic story of the largest and most horrific conspiracy ever pulled off.
The facts are out there and very easy to access, the documentary from the History channel debunks the conspiracies, Markmawn's post above adequately debunks the conspiracy.
Why was there no wreckage? Because all plane crashes you seen before are emergency landings or on take offs, the speed difference between those crashes and this one are phenomenal. That plane hit with enough force to leave very little debris.
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markmawn26 months ago
However, there is still that stand down order given by Cheney. That has not been adequately explained.
So important I had to mention it twice. Bush did brag to his biographer before he took office that he would not waste political capital. So there is still reason to be suspicious. Just not the 757 lies.
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pcknowledge6 months ago
Actually, families of victims who died on 9/11, asked C. Rice in an open forum why high level government officials where warned not to fly to NY on & around 9/11 in an intercepted phone call.
I would like to know why the alarm that was supposed to sound off when a plane invaded a no fly zone around the Pentagon was turned off on 9/11. I would like to know why Cheney ordered a standdown when the plane supposedly approached. Can't remember what Norman Mineta said about that, but Cheney did order a standdown. I for one don't believe Bin Ladin could have orchestrated a tragedy like 9/11 while sitting in the mountains in Afghanistan. It's impossible.
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Commodore16 months ago
Lookout! The loonies have escaped again. Someone break out the butterfly nets and the meds. I've seen these pics before and they have been explained to me satisfactorily. As usual the loony Muslims don't offer one shred of evidence to prove anything except that they are beyond hope. Give it a rest. Move out of your mothers basements. Get a life. Get laid. Get counseling.
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slate6 months ago
Here is nice link to enjoy for those that believe a missile hit the Pentagon.
http://lotgk.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/thought-s...
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ghengisghan6 months ago
Friggin awesome! Do those come with a gag so we dont have to hear their bs?
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globalwarmer6 months ago
Haven't you guys ever seen the video of a f4 phantom jet plowing into a reinforced concrete structure at high speed. I'll spoil the ending if you haven't, It evaporates!
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markoller6 months ago
Markmawn2, Globalwarer,
I finally found Markmawn's wreckage photographs after wandering through numerous blind alleys. Click http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655... It only includes a few planted scraps of wreckage, including the object planted on the "white board." Again, click http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/exit_hole/ and read the entire webpage. Try to explain the curious "punch out" photo, with the office debris and the rear windows showing.
The following website has links to many horrific crashes, including the explosion over Lockerbie, Scotland. In every crash, large pieces wreckage remained intact. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cg...
I have a question for globalwarmer: if an F4 evaporates on impact with a "reinforced concrete structure," how did the 757 goes through three rings of the Pentagon? Why was this aircraft so much stronger than the C141, which was severely dented by a goose?
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markoller6 months ago
I almost forgot to ask, where were the marks on the lawn?" I could do more damage with one finger.
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globalwarmer6 months ago
The pentagon has windows and rooms, its not a solid block of concrete. Its not a cartoon that leaves the perfect outline of an aircraft either. You also have to take account of the trajectory of the plane, if the pilot came in too low he would have scrubbed off too much speed and left a huge mess on the lawn but that wasn't his target. I don't know how the Pentagon was constructed but i have to imagine that the outer walls are stronger than the inner walls.
Hitting a goose at high speed would probably damage any aircraft, planes are designed to be as light as possible and are reinforced where they need to be, in fact many plane wings are still covered in fabric instead of aluminum sheet. To put into perspective the power of speed, I've seen two skydivers collide at high speed and shear both legs off one diver with the other divers body like he was a knife.
Mark, I think there are a lot of unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 but planes hitting buildings shouldn't be one of them.
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xlegultx6 months ago
Here is an idea, look up what momentum is. While you're at it, check out some physics books. Maybe you'll find out the fundamental significance of mass in pretty much every possible kinematics situation.
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injest6 months ago
"It only includes a few planted scraps of wreckage, including the object planted on the "white board." Again,"
Planted plane scraps. Uhmm how did they get truckloads of plane scraps out to the Pentagon without anyone noticing?
Couldn't have been there before, someone would have noticed ya think?
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markoller6 months ago
One video was released by through a FOIA suit. After one minute 26 seconds, the nose of missile appears for an instant in the right of the screen. Then there is an explosion and smoke. Click http://911review.org/Reports/NEW_VIDEO.html I still think there had to be explosives planted in the building, as well. I am still trying to find a website which said that attachments of the exterior Pentagon wall were precut.
Muhairi8 posted this outstanding video about the 757 crash hoax, http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.swf
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xlegultx6 months ago
Awesome, 1 frame in which we see the head of an object. Notice the similarity between the nose of a missile and the nose of a plane shot in the distance. I mean, based on a really fuzzy video in which the object of our interest is in the back, I say its safe to declare treason and let all hell break lose.
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markoller6 months ago
I freeze framed the missile, and it was a sharp image of at least half of a cruise missile. It was pencil thin, and there was no cockpit or wings. It did seem to have an air intake at the bottom. Furthermore, it was in front of a relatively distant row of trees. That proves it was nearby, and it was hugging the ground. It did not seem to be a Tomahawk missile or an ACLM, but it was some kind of short range cruise missile.
Do you really believe that it was just a coincidence that the blast took place in the next frame? Television cameras take sixty frames per second. Do you also think that a distant aircraft would seem to move that fast?
Perhaps, the missile image was created to confuse. The government certainly would not have released it without an ulterior motive.
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markoller6 months ago
"9/11 and Chertoff: Cousin wrote 9/11 propaganda for PM," by Christopher Bollyn, sheds some light on how it was possible to carry out such an enormous cover up. PM, incidentally, stands for Popular Mechanics. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cg...
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markmawn26 months ago
Ok, whoop out the Koolaid. I'm ready to drink, if only just to save myself from reading more of this drivel.
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deadlyhaiku6 months ago
Here's the bottom line:
One of the most heavily fortified buildings in the United
States will not release any video proving a 757 struck it on 911.
They confiscated all video and will not release any of it, short of 5 frames that proves nothing.
They have something to hide, and it's not a 757.
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