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  jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago

  If they don't accept our brand of Democracy, we will continue to kill these people in record numbers.

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    jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago

    I wish the war was over. I wish the war never existed.

    --Karl Rove April 2007

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      earthlingerer6 months, 3 weeks ago

      "our brand of democracy"

      This obviously doesn't mean voting for who you want... take the Palestinians, for example. It doesn't mean fair and free elections, as they know from the earlier US rigged elections - in Kabul, not Florida.

      "democracy"... what a joke. Russia's going to have "our brand of democracy" elections very soon.

      These people still live in the dark ages. They can't even begin to understand the notion of "freedom", let alone "democracy" in it's perverted form as espoused by the USA.

      Please, give your kids some money. Maybe they can get some high-grade heroin right from the C-130 when it lands. We need less stupid like you in America. Maybe we could give your home to some Afghan refugees.

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    bobo-in-texas6 months, 3 weeks ago

    Your cluelessness in posting this atrocity of a story, and apparently actually believing it, is off the charts.

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  RedstateLib6 months, 3 weeks ago

  Haven't we trained enough of an army there that they can control their own country yet? We've been working on it for 7 years now.

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    GHOSTWHOWALKS6 months, 3 weeks ago

    Damn good question. The truth is however we will never leave. Empires grow, they never shrink. They do however implode and cease to exist. Usually from within.

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      ETproductions6 months, 3 weeks ago

      Empires grow till they run out of money. Throughout history, leaders have looked to empire building to gather wealth, but the exercise has bankrupted every single country that tried it.

      Our debt is now approaching 10 Trillion Dollars! Surprise of surprises. History repeats itself. Americans may hate history, but there a NO dropouts allowed in the school of hard knocks.

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        GHOSTWHOWALKS6 months, 3 weeks ago

        Yep

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  donnall6 months, 3 weeks ago

  Afganistan is where the usa army found films of tortured kids very sick they said on the news

  same time the cops busted the same sorta filming kids thing here in australia and the good cops said same thing as the army said SICK

  kinda makes you wonder theres a conection tween both countries

  now do you think this war is worth nothing

  they did a good job busting the worst kiddy thing in history of this earth to keep the peace for all

  sumtimes they dont say reasons and we are left in the dark

  we wish for this and that but what about the kids who is gonna care bout them the pain they went thru and no one to help em till now

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  sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan

  Take a look at the population at 32 mil. How can there be 6.6 mil dead? Is anyone seriously claiming that 1 in 5 Afghans have died due to the Talibal removal campaign? They were 13 min in 1979. They grow at the amazing rate of 3%/yr or 1 mil/yr which is by the way unacceptable given their resources and instability. A population that grows so fast places cheap intrinsic value in life.

  I was thoroughly against the Iraq campaign but the Afghanistan invasion was a proper move at the time. It should have been dealt better and the iraq war totally broke down the focus there. Afghanistan could have been the real example the US was looking for in the area.

  There is no way that any report that speaks of such massive number of victims is accurate. Violence in Afghanistan is not across the entire country .For such numbers to have occured you would need to experience daily violence there that would dwarf iraq by a factor of 10 to 1. Unrealistic!

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    sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

    The point i am making above is in no way meant to diminish the suffering of Afghans. But the blame is internal mostly not NATO related. It is unacceptable for the world to have stood still and let a regime like the Taliban enslave elementary freedoms and the very notion of civilization there. If not the real crime is to not have focused enough in Afghanistan to do it right due to Iraq.

    Most deaths occuring are mainly the result of internal struggle of power , lack of resources and elementary structures that secure a stable safe society . They place themselves at tremendous risk with such population growth. How can you explain such growth rate during a period of over 30 years of wars and internal conflicts? The very growth itself is placing at risk the average life . More people , limited resources, lack of security and internal tribal feuding. The US blame is restricted to accidental cilivian victims which of course are always unacceptable when a result of poor planning.

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      MajJohn6 months, 3 weeks ago

      You are totally correct. Look at the background of the propagandist who wrote the piece and the discredited person who posted this vile crap. Any negs we receive will be badges of honor.

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  Dicax_Maximus6 months, 3 weeks ago

  This story holds a few fragments of truth and a WHOLE load of bullsh*t...... Negged for same.

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  wildman65576 months, 3 weeks ago

  Unlike Iraq, there was an active war going on in Afghanistan when we entered the fray. We did not start it and we probably will not end it. More people probably would have died if the stalemate that was going on when we entered had continued.

  BS for sure

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  koranagirl6 months, 3 weeks ago

  If you want to truly see what is going on in Iraq, go to www.rawa.org. There, women meticulously document both the good and the bad about the war.

  6.6 million or not, the reality is, a country that is has been sent munitions and soldiers for 20 years is a waste land.

  Many well educated persons, including the women, don't want the war. It is the women and children that suffer the most during times of war. In countries where diplomatic means, education, health care, medical care, teachers, etc. are used to raise the level of poverty, the level of poverty will rise. The fastest way to accomplish this is always to support the women and children first. Countries where women are uneducated have the highest poverty rates. Studies show if you educate the women, their economic level rises, and so does their children. Educate just more men, and the level of poverty stays the same or deepens. Womoen are 90% uneducated in Afghanistan.

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  koranagirl6 months, 3 weeks ago

  Before the war, and before Russia invaded Aghanistan and then the US got involved, Kabul was a place to find women in universities, women driving, etc. Over 20 years we have lost a generation of educated women. For that reason, RAWA promotes education and school aide over anything else. They don't want more bombs and soldiers. They want more teachers, books, computers, warm clothing for children, basic medical supplies for children etc. There are more good men and women in Afghanistan than there are narrow minded Taliban. Most of the Taliban are uneducated. Many young men who have attended RAWA schools and started to learn to read have dropped their association with the Taliban.

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  koranagirl6 months, 3 weeks ago

  I firmly believe that if we would have taken the billions of dollars that we have spent on the war and given it to education programs in Afghanistan, the country would be far, far better off by now. Our govt should have supported RAWA in its mission to educate children over 20 years, import basic medical supplies, and poverty technologies and most of all, educate the women there, and that entire region would have been a whole lot better off.

  But what do we send? Bombs and solider which destroy the country, they only teach hate, desperation, fear, poverty, and we destroy an entire land.

  For a great book on peace, see the Korana of Mother Goddess, available on LuLu dot com or ebay (cheapest). Write for a free download link.

  Peace: Back by popular demand.

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  koranagirl6 months, 3 weeks ago

  PS: in your calculation of 6.6 million dead, you might also consider the fact that in a country that has been bombed for 20 years, maternity and infant care is fairly nonexistant. For this reason, if 1.0 million are born each year, about 50 to 60% of those infants will die. So I think the 6.6 million figure is on the low side ATC

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    walden36 months, 3 weeks ago

    The infant mortality rate is actually 15.7%.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-wo...

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      sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

      Indeed study the metrics in the link and you will see why the situation is terrible at so many levels. Look at unemployment, life expectancy, infant morality, low levels of literacy, average age of the pupulation etc(and this is all i meant by the rapid growth rate that is contributing to the problems), opium production etc. A proper war attacks not only the tangible enemy but also the metrics that constraint the progress of the country and that thmesleves are contributing to the feuding and misery. The average NATO soldier is placed in my opinion at a difficult situation there. I have no doubt they genuinenly support the local population moreover the daily witnessed uglyness and especially due to it. You would probably hear countless honorable stories at local level. The average good soldier is in fact one of the best local external caring forces for the people . How can you not be , how else can your mission find dignity in all this human misery and the frequent personal risk ?

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        sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

        Place yourselves for a moment behind the eyes of those soldiers away from their prosperous country betrayed at so many levels but not by their dignity and drive. The blame is elsewhere and higher, found behind poor planning, weak priorities but also behind local depressing backwards marching fractions of the population. What value do Taliban place in the life of civilians when they use them as shields? Taliban can only find support inside a suppressed poor system of low education and plenty of misery, missing tangible hopes of prosperity and massively influenced by propaganda. Those are the driving forces behind religious fundamentalism and terrorism growth. The war in Afghanistan at the start had a much better chance for success because the support of the locals unlike Iraq was material and the population was not so broadly divided . Relaxing emphasis and resources never gave the recovery the boost it required to really emerge as the ultimate US humanitarian victory in the area.

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          sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

          Still under proper leadership and especially with education investments and plannings that lead to job opportunities (investments that trigger internally guided growth) misery can be succesfully attacked. I have faith in people getting it right eventually. They were given less resources than they would need to do their job more effectively. Again we come back to the design. Not only one needs to methodically militarily suffocate the Taliban but at the same time invest in efforts that internally enhance the drive of the locals to recover their own country and pride uniting them in the process against the real enemy of terrorism and suppression. One need to also place substantial emphasis in minimizing collateral damages, innocent victims of poor planning (of course not always avoidable). Such accidents are the ultimate propaganda weapon. The attack on Taliban was a legitimate war. Nobody can confuse it with the expansion drives of an empire. The argument would logically fail.

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            sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

            What can the interest of the US be in Afghanistan materially? Allowing a country to be ruled by barbaric regimes that support terrorist camps with vast freedoms to educate and export enhanced terrorist groups to the rest of the world is so insane. This is the very reason our daily priorities as humanity are wasted. The very reason we allowed international terrorism to monopolize our decade is because it was never dealt with effectively at its root. This is where success in Afghanistan would win the war instantly in the eyes of the planet throroughly exposing the barbars for what they are and demonstrating what freedom and intellect can do to uplift and change a country from misery to modernity and self reliance. We failed to pay real attention early to the deterioration of a country and after the attack started we also found reasons to misplace again our attentions...We failed to prevent 9/11 and we failed to respond to it with maturity . Yet we still can. We must.

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        sotiris-k6 months, 3 weeks ago

        (sorry meant to say of course infant mortality, what a horrible typo!)

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  TheRealizer6 months, 3 weeks ago

  In one generation the U.S. has been reduced from the worlds

  powerhouse nation to the worlds biggest beggar nation.

  If this was was in someones long term plans the reasoning eludes me, why would any group want the U.S. to be at the tender mercies of China and OPEC?

  We have been sold into the dustbins of history for someones benefit, I know not why........

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  walden36 months, 3 weeks ago

  The story fails to show the methods used to come to the conclusion of 6.6 million deaths so it's impossible to comment on it.

  6.6 unnecessary death? I don't believe it. There no way to accept the fact that if the invasion didn't take place there would be 6.6 million more Afghanis.

  To characterize what's happening in Afghanistan to concentration camps is a gross mischaracterization. People aren't being carted away in train cars and shoved en mass into gas chambers based on religion.

  This story fails on so many levels that it can't even qualify as an opinion piece.

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  jordan116 months, 3 weeks ago

  I guess anybody can say anything, but it doesn't mean it has to be believed. There simply is no basis shown for this accusation. That makes it propaganda. I don't like propaganda. It incites people. Not a good thing.

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  nikkibabe6 months, 3 weeks ago

  Does anyone know if there is a census in Afghanistan? What was the population at the last count?

  May be someone is mistaking it for deaths in Iraq.

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