Racism Surges in USA »
Posted by: Spadecaller 9 months, 1 week ago388 Comments Report this Story
Open racism is now acceptable in the upper classes of US society. Consider how the economic elite have transformed the American workplace by first creating a market for undocumented workers, and then using them as scapegoats as the gulf between the rich and poor grows. This new acceptable racism goes beyond the issue of immigration.
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Spadecaller9 months, 1 week ago
"It is a world in which victims of substandard levies are blamed for their plight. It is a time when privileged white kids can mock those who create the wealth that they enjoy with callous contempt."
Has anyone else noticed? Are we, as a nation, remaining silent as the progress of the civil rights movement is being reversed.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
What amazes me is how often it seems that defending George Bush and/or corporatism are at the root of racist attitudes in many of those on the right. Among the many reasons that Bush's ratings are in the toilet is the issue of illegal immigration. It's one of the few times when Bush obviously chose the interests of corporations over the interests of the electorate. Bush's few remaining supporters will insist that illegal immigration is the root of all evil while remaining virtually silent where the issue of corporatism is concerned.
Just as whining that their religion is "under attack" from the evil secularists is easier than acknowledging that Big Business' use of "Happy Holidays" is simply to squeeze an extra buck out of consumers, those on the right care less about corporations using illegal immigrants to earn a buck at their expense as they care that some FOR-ners are moving next door to them.
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NoSpinDave9 months, 1 week ago
LIBERAL
MUMBO
JUMBO
And out of the other side of your mouths its open season on Christians and middle aged white guys in general.
Gotta love liberal America where "OUTRAGE!" is only reserved for groups that tend to vote liberal-Democrat.
....and as a point of fact, racism has NOTHING to do with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Thats just a convienant way for liberals to paint conservatives with an UGLY BRUSH, it has NOTHING to do with REALITY.
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AmericanIdiot9 months, 1 week ago
And out of the other side of your mouths its open season on Christians and middle aged white guys in general.
Really? Are white Christians under attack in America? Please give an example. Curious to hear your "NoSpin" on this one.
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Locky129 months, 1 week ago
The Golden Compass. Released just 3 weeks before Christmas.
I'm told I gotta shop 'til I drop. But I'm not allowed to say I'm Christmas shopping.
It's always been called a Christmas Tree. In public places, however, it's always a pagan like Holiday Tree.
I live in a country with Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion where a crucifix in a jar of pi$$ is called "art" and my tax dollars should pay for its' display but any school that would have a crucifix displayed on a wall receiving federal funds is a violation of separation of Church and State.
On television, I'm bombarded with Keith Olbermann, Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart, but there are libs in Congress that want a fairness doctrine just for talk radio because it's too "right wing".
When I talk of sovereign borders, I'm called a racist.
When I speak of the tenets of my faith, I'm called a homophobe or other kind of exclusionist.
AmericanIdiot indeed.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"I'm told I gotta shop 'til I drop. But I'm not allowed to say I'm Christmas shopping."
--Who's forcing you to whip out your credit card and buy stuff? No one is preventing you from saying anything. If Wal-Mart wants to reel in some more suckers by having a "Holiday" sale, blame them. Don't claim you're being "attacked." That's paranoid lunacy.
Say "Merry Christmas" all you want. Just don't expect ME to pay for a nativity scene in the public square if you won't fund the recognition of MY religion (or my lack of religion) in the public square as well. I pay taxes too, remember? And stop playing the victim. You people make a mockery of those who are genuinely oppressed. You should be ashamed of yourselves. ASHAMED.
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Silverghost9 months, 1 week ago
MesoDude: Wal-Mart is not the culprit. They give the Christmas event it's due respect. It's liberal stores like Old Navy, GAP, Target, etc. that exclude references to the season's impact to draw in other monies. Target has excluded the age-old Salvation Army collections outside their entrances, which benefit the community, in the questionable onus of fairness. -Rev. S
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
And one more thing...We *had* a Fairness Doctrine before that brain-dead weasel Ronald Reagan came along and k'od it. So stop pretending this is some new original idea and that wingnut shout radio wasn't given an unfair boost. We both know otherwise. It's pretty damned funny that wingers like to brag that liberal talk radio isn't more successful because of "the free market" then you turn around and bitch to the skies because Hollywood won't make movies neocons can jerk off over. "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...The evil liberals suck 'cause they won't make more sequels to 'Left Behind' or 'Passion of the Christ' or more violent wargasm movies showin' us blowin up TARE-issssts!" Get serious. No one wants to pay to see a neoclown on the big screen unless it's a neoclown in the role of a complete moron. That's the only time you people are remotely believable.
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Locky129 months, 1 week ago
Be careful what you wish for, Mesodude. If the Fairness Doctrine ever rears its' head again, we conservatives are going to demand it be applied to ALL reaches of the FCC! That means you're going to have to watch 15 minutes of Jon Stewart and then 15 minutes of Sean Hannity. Then 15 minutes of Stephen Colbert followed by 15 minutes of Laura Ingraham.
Then 1/2 Keith Overbite and 1/2 Mark Levin.
That would sound "fair" to me, how 'bout you?
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"Be careful what you wish for, Mesodude. If the Fairness Doctrine ever rears its' head again, we conservatives are going to demand it be applied to ALL reaches of the FCC!"
Wingers were the ones who were desperate to get the Fairness Doctrine repealed in the first place. Why would I be threatened by it? I can't say I understand how this would be applied to the film industry. They're totally different media.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
Yes...I agree Ronald Reagan should've left the Fairness Doctrine the hell alone where it was doing no harm to anyone. Liberals had no problem presenting both sides of an argument in their radio programming but for some inexplicable reason this was too tall an order for wingers to manage. So you had Ronnie do one of your lil right wing hit jobs and futzed up something that wasn't broken--it just didn't serve your particular interests.
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AmericanIdiot9 months, 1 week ago
Please don't lump me with those who claim the Jose serrano's "****** C****t" was art, or the champions of Chris ophili, who made a painting of the virgin Mary with pieces of actual dung. As a Brooklyn resident at the time, I was very offended. That was a time I saw how ineffective Rudy Giuliani was as mayor of New York. He could not get the offensive painting removed. Does this affect my vote for President? Could be. As a friend, I say, Republicans are finished. They were always fake. Don't believe their lies.
I will not call you a racist. Borders exist. To deny them is simply to live in fantasy. A lot of things need to change around here, no doubt.
I may be an idiot indeed, but I am not an idiot in need.
If life is getting you down, I'll buy you a round.
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Radiofreeeuropa9 months, 1 week ago
Hilarious Locky, Golden Compass and Harry Potter are condemned by "Christian' groups for their fantasy, but mainly because their authors are not Christians. At the same time praising Lord of the Rings, and Narnia which have equally fantastic characters. But their authors are Christian so it's OK. Can you say Hypocrite? If you don't see that religious symbols of any kind really don't belong in publicly funded buildings, no one can help you. If your offended by someone wishing you a happy holiday, you have too much time on your hands. The Fairness doctrine you speak of was originally implemented by Nixon, because he felt he wasn't treated fairly by the Smothers Brothers. Blah blah blah.
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Locky129 months, 1 week ago
The Golden Compass is about killing God.
Maybe religious symbols don't belong in public buildings, don't put them in vats of urine expect to me to pay for that!
There's nothing wrong with Happy Holidays in itself-- but don't blot out Merry Christmas all together!
The Fairness Doctrine should never have been and dopey libs should know that! BLAH BLAH BLAH! Like I said before, You only get to enjoy the 1st Amendment if you're a lib.
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AmericanIdiot9 months, 1 week ago
Call the dead tree what you will. It has nothing to do with Jesus, it is a pagan custom anyway.
Do not shop till you drop. It is not healthy or financially sound. Shopping also has nothing to do with Christmas or with the birth of Jesus.
Television? What can I say? It TV was any good, we wouldn't be pecking away at our keyboards, which is too much like work anyway.
Sovereign borders? I wouldn't call you a racist, but rather a fantastist. Your President met with Vicente Fox and Stephen Harper approximately 6 weeks ago to sign a contract joining the three countries of Mexico, U.S.A., and Canada, into one huge country. Sovereign borders are a joke which not one politician takes seriously. They play with YOUR head to get your vote. But they are all in on the globalization scheme. We the people are the suckers on the outside.
As for homophobe, that too is an opinion. Everyone has a right to express their opinion. That does not require that others agree with it.
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kiacylic3 months, 2 weeks ago
Wow, you are so completely off topic it is amazing.
You also seem to be unwilling to consider for a second the plight of those less fortunate than you, who are willing to literally risk their live to work in this country, and make it possible for us to buy cheap food.
You righties seem able to attack anything, without actually understanding what it you are attacking.
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Indochine549 months, 1 week ago
as we live on the planet known as "Earth", i guess this dude from planet Reality don't really know what's happening here, except from the CNN broadcasts he has picked up!
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NoSpinDave9 months, 1 week ago
In the liberal media almost every day. What world are you living in? Oh yea, liberal Candy Land.
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donald519 months, 1 week ago
...not martyrdom just delusions! If martyrdom they couldn't enjoy their perceived fruits of victory/world domination! Besides they'd show their real color (yellow) and disavow neoconism if really put to the torch! Look at Wolfowitz after they gave him the world bank... such hedonism with his female employee!
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Natureboy9 months, 1 week ago
Yes, it's truly tough to be an older white male in America. So oppressed!
The medical science exists to change your sex and turn your skin a deep, deep brown, Dave.
Why don't you act in your own self-interest; get out of that terrible oppressed group of older white males and make yourself a black woman so you can enjoy a life of privilege. Perhaps you can be a lesbian to boot and really enjoy the good life.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
Natureboy, any idiot knows that having to say "Happy Holidays" a couple times a year is roughly comparable to enduring 300 years of slavery and oppression based on one's skin color. Sheeesh... ;-p
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
1619 first slaves arrive in VA
1865 Slavery abolished in the U.S. by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
246 years too long,
For the timeline of that tragic time see the link below.
http://amistad.mysticseaport.org/timeline/unite...
Now if only we can take a step and stop bigotry against those in the southern states,,,,,,,,,,
My family has many mixed race children, we're helping to make the race thing go into the past,,,, once we are all one skin color and intermixed the only bigotry left will be
* The rich bigotry against the poor
* The bigotry of those with high degrees looking down their aquiline noses at the unfortunate uneducated fools that aren't a gifted as they are.
* Bigotry against the southern states
BTW I'm still waiting for my check for my ancestors that were indentured slaves and the crimes against my Irish brethren.
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Natureboy9 months, 1 week ago
Well, ya mist bigotry against the Arabs. Tis the only full on, no holds barred out-an-out racism that dumb bastards nationwide aren't ashamed to wear on their shirtsleeves.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"246 years too long,"
--If memory serves me, I said "slavery and oppression." When did racism and oppression end?
"Now if only we can take a step and stop bigotry against those in the southern states,,,,,,,,,,"
--What are the tragic results of this horrible "bigotry" against southerners? Do tell...
"The rich bigotry against the poor..."
--You don't understand the definition of bigotry.
"BTW I'm still waiting for my check for my ancestors that were indentured slaves and the crimes against my Irish brethren."
What color are you? What institutionalized racism have you been victimized by and how does it compare to that of african americans or those who survived the holocaust?
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
What color am I? Wow what a bigoted thing to ask,,,, let's see I have dark hair and eyes and my skin is very light. I'd guess beige except for the permanent tan from working outside for 20 plus years?
I'm of African descent, but then we all are I suppose
Irish
English
French
African
American Indian (Meso- Apache)
My descendants suffered through the potato famine and indentured servitude,,,,,
My branch of my family is directly descended from slaves (brought here and sold by African Muslims)
Now you can list your pedigree and tell me you had it worse and I could have never had suffering in my family merely because of my light skin.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
You assume that my 'white' skin' means I or my family haven't suffered at the hands of others,,,,,,, that's pretty bigoted of you. To many people the fact that I have white skin and being from the south makes me a racist, that in itself is bigotry beyond compare. I'd ask you to come to one of our family reunions, it's possibly more diverse than yours.
PSSSST it's never polite to assume or ask what color someone's skin is,,, that is racist and against the TOU,,,,,
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"You assume that my 'white' skin' means I or my family haven't suffered at the hands of others,,,"
--I didn't assume anything because I don't care what color your skin is. I KNOW that, as a race, white people in America haven't been victimized by slavery and haven't suffered the effects of institutionalized racism in any way shape or form comparable to that of people of color. This is indisputable.
"To many people the fact that I have white skin and being from the south makes me a racist, that in itself is bigotry beyond compare."
--Gee, slate...Until you told me, I had no idea that merely being *labeled* a racist could create more hardship for someone than being enslaved, being lynched, having crosses burned in front of their home, being denied the right to vote, being denied the right to marry someone of another race, or being forced to use separate bathrooms and water fountains. The things I learn on Netscape.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
Meso
You asked me what color my skin was, that in itself was a racist question.
Asking that simple question was an attempt to say, if I'm white there is no way I could know what racism is about. Though this white boy has african and Irish slaves in my family history. Naaaaw I know NOTHING about it do I?
If I had said a different color you would have assumed that since my skin was a darker shade then I would. That too is racist.
I did lay out my pedigree, which is very diverse and asked you yours but you conveniently didn't mention that in your spin against what I posted, which is typical.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
I suggest that in the future, don't ask someone the color of their skin in an attempt to win a debate, it unfortunately shows your preconceived notion that everyone and everything has a tidy little place you can put them, simply because of the color of their skin. You know, the lighter their skin equates to racist and the darker equates to victims.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
Like I said, my family actually had slaves, white and black. Yes slavery, the kind where a human is sold as goods to another human, with all the trappings therein, such as being whipped, called names and all the other things, well except my family member wasn't lynched so I guess you got me there. So tell me again how you can sit and assume you have a clue what people are, where they come from.
Try a bit harder, your spin in just digging a hole under your feet.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
Slate:
Stop playing the injured party for five minutes and consider the essence of what I'm saying. There is no comparable phenomenon for white people in American history to that of slavery and racial discrimination for black people and other people of color. None. This isn't something I'm pleased to tell you or something over which I take pride in "winning." It's just a fact.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"You asked me what color my skin was, that in itself was a racist question."
--Why? Look up the word "racism" and explain to my how it applies here. Just because you think the question is rude doesn't make it racist.
"Asking that simple question was an attempt to say, if I'm white there is no way I could know what racism is about."
--a) No, it wasn't. b) anyone can be racist. c) you don't know what racism is about
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
(you don't know what racism is about)
LOL yeah right,,,
You know I've stated all I need to on the subject and exposed your agenda,,,, I'm not doing another 20 post Pi**in match with you,,,,,
Take your spin and try and convince someone else that they are a racists and know nothing about what racism is because they don't belong in a certian group
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"Take your spin and try and convince someone else that they are a racists and know nothing about what racism is because they don't belong in a certian group"
LOL...Slate, you stated that the freaking Irish Potato Famine was an example of institutionalized racism? C'mon...
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"I did lay out my pedigree, which is very diverse and asked you yours but you conveniently didn't mention that in your spin against what I posted, which is typical."
--You're right about one thing. I shouldn't have asked what your skin color is. Not because it's racist to do so (it's not, in this instance) but because it's not entirely relevant. I assumed you're white because people of color don't usually say things like "slavery ended 140 years ago" so we should just get over it. But, again, it doesn't matter. Anyone can be racist.
Anyway, a lot of your comments aren't racist per se, they're just ignorant. Suggesting that anyone with a single drop of black blood knows what it's like to be discriminated against in the way that people who identify themselves as black or african american do is simply ludicrous.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin9 months, 1 week ago
''(I assumed you're white because people of color don't usually say things like "slavery ended 140 years ago" so we should just get over it.)''
really? what do they usually say? what do they usually eat? are they usually good at sports and dancing?
whoever said that
assumption is the first step in the racist waltz
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"What color am I? Wow what a bigoted thing to ask"
--It is?
"I'm of African descent, but then we all are I suppose"
--Good. So you're at least acknowledging that, depending upon a person's skin color and particular ethnic features, it's possible that not every person of "African descent" will experience racism (or experience it to the same degree or in the same way as everyone else).
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
Heck Messo, how can you come up with the notions you do is beyond me.
Do you really feel that skin color or ethnic features is a guarantee of whether someone from Africa or anywhere else will or will not suffer? Sir are you 'SHADE' racist as well?
Does a Mulata not know racism? Does a very dark skinned African always suffer from it?
From your profile name I'm going to guess you may possibly be of Spanish ancestry? If not, it doesn't matter; I'll still use Spanish history for the sake of further proving your thinking as erroneous.
First, I need to know if you think Spanish people to be white or ethnic, after all they do have darker skin than the Anglo Saxons.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
History tells us that Spain went and conquered the indigenous peoples of Central America. You have a taller, lighter skinned race pillaging a shorter, darker skinned race. Now today, after all this time of intermarriage they are called Hispanic and hail from all the countries of that region.
If racism is committed against two Hispanics, one of lighter and one of darker skin, is it not an equal thing? Or as in your premise, racism against the one with the darker hue is more egregious?
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"If racism is committed against two Hispanics, one of lighter and one of darker skin, is it not an equal thing? Or as in your premise, racism against the one with the darker hue is more egregious?"
Owwr...My head hurts. ;-( I thought this article was supposed to be about racism in *America.* Anyway, go back and read my response (which you totally misinterpreted earlier).
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
There are no Hispanics living in America?
You posted,,,,,' Good. So you're at least acknowledging that, depending upon a person's skin color and particular ethnic features, it's possible that not every person of "African descent" will experience racism (or experience it to the same degree or in the same way as everyone else).
The post implies to me that you were saying one with certain traits and skin tones will be more likely to be bigoted against, mostly by whites in America, since that is the topic.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
If I misunderstood then my bad, it's not the first time I would have trying to wade through your logic. But, you were the one that started out asking me what color my skin was Meso, after I posted the time line of slavery. Now that I expounded on your notion you try and make it about me. It's interesting how you can't see that simple truth.
So I used your premise to as a pointed question Meso, using the scenario of Hispanic origin, ,,,, in your opinion,,, by your standards of the skin tone and traits,,,, if a Spaniard of Europe origin with light skin and a Hispanic from Central America and indigenous origins of darker skin and more 'traits' that would be easier to figure out where his roots came from. In an instance like that, who do you feel was the most slighted?
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"There are no Hispanics living in America?"
Yes but you weren't describing a phenomenon that was part of American history when you brought up Hispanics.
"The post implies to me that you were saying one with certain traits and skin tones will be more likely to be bigoted against, mostly by whites in America, since that is the topic."
--Yes but I didn't say anything about who would be the perpetrators of the racism.
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slate9 months, 1 week ago
Who was used in the scenario matters not. Racism past, present and future by any group against another is wrong. Even if one group suffered some past action and feels it gives them justification. Whether you are Black, white, red, yellow brown or any mixture thereof,,,,, what religion, what part of the world you come from or live in.
Bigotry and or racism is wrong,,,, to attempt to elevate acts of racism against one group, as more egregious than another is simply wrong.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"Do you really feel that skin color or ethnic features is a guarantee of whether someone from Africa or anywhere else will or will not suffer? Sir are you 'SHADE' racist as well?"
--Uhh...No. That was exactly the point I was making and I'm baffled as to how you could've missed that.
"From your profile name I'm going to guess you may possibly be of Spanish ancestry?"
--Nope. Stop guessing and stop wondering. It doesn't matter.
"First, I need to know if you think Spanish people to be white or ethnic, after all they do have darker skin than the Anglo Saxons."
--No. Re-read what I wrote. You totally misinterpreted it.
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mesodude9 months, 1 week ago
"Slavery ended over 140 years ago.
Ya know, I never got over the potato famine myself."
It's pretty funny that neocons have no trouble at all understanding why we "must" stay in Iraq indefinitely but, oddly, the effects of slavery and institutionalized racism have a definitive beginning, middle and end. So, how does this work exactly? Let's see... The Holocaust occurred in the 1940s. What's the appropriate time for Americans to "get over" that? You have a specific time span in mind, right? What about violence against women? Is that still an issue or should women just stop whining about that? Please share your methodology. I'm dying to hear this...
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Indochine549 months, 1 week ago
you just called cherev childish further down the thread. Thank you for demonstrating my observation even further down the thread about your hypocrisy when it comes to insults!!
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