Pearl Harbor Mother of All Conspiracies »
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"Pearl Harbor Mother of All Conspiracies" is condensed from the book, by Mark Emmerson Wiley, and it proves beyond a doubt that President Roosevelt deliberately provoked the bombing of Pearl Harbor, so Germany would declare war on The United States. This should also put to rest the idea that there are no vast government conspiracies.
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Bkumm
Nov. 22, 2007, 10:24 a.m.While there is some question about the complicity of FDR in not properly preparing for war in the Pacific, there is little doubt that the bulk of the blame for the disaster at Pearl rests primarily with the Japanese.
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Natureboy
Nov. 22, 2007, 8:36 p.m.Have you read the McCollum memo? Who has the lions share of the blame is largely a philosophical issue, but there is a good deal of evidence to suggest that FDR and the military engaged in a deliberate and methodical program to provoke the Japanese attack in order to win popular support for entry into WWII.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/inde...
Many of those who opposed U.S. entry into the conflict said that if the U.S. did enter, it would result in enough of a military buildup that it would swing the country in the direction of a fascist and militaristic state.
Immediatly after WWII, union leaders, authors, and many who fought for social reforms were red-baited and purged by the HUAC. Not long after, Ike Eisenhower gave us notice that the military-industrial complex was running the country.
Mission accomplished.
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scriblerus1
Nov. 22, 2007, 10:44 a.m.Considering the facts available before Pearl Harbor, this theory may be accurate.
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AntiNeoCon
Nov. 22, 2007, 11:20 a.m.Hogwash, this is much like the JFK and other theories.
Ever major event has these second guessers trying to coming up with conspiracy comments which turn out to be just another opinion, and usually wrong. FDR was busy trying to get us out of the depression and not trying to plan for WWII, the japs just caught us with our pants down...simple as that. Not to say that there were a few people that might have seen it coming, but not FDR.
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scriblerus1
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:08 p.m.You're entitled to your opinion. However, the article contains many facts. What these facts mean is of course debatable.
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sumptuousdigs
Nov. 22, 2007, 8:47 p.m.AntiNeoCon, I'm with you, up to a point. I think there was an amount of calculated risk involved in letting the Japanese Imperial Navy move without more interdiction forces available. The facts were that the United States and Japan were still at peace, and a naval screen by the US could have been considered hostile.
Another fact is that the US had a long standing policy of reacting to, not preempting, hostility, and the majority of the nation still held an isolationist mindset.
It's my opinion that the grey areas, the sometimes duious intel, the desire to back our allies, and the clumsy diplomacy were certainly contributing factors that added up to the fruition of a not too sinister plot.
One could, and will I'm sure, note some similarity to more recent miscalculations by the State Department, and others.
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smithichie
Nov. 22, 2007, 1:52 p.m.I have two questions for you mark.
Is there any history you DON'T view as a conspiracy?
Do you pay taxes and contribute to a society whose government you think kills it's own citizens on a regular basis and goes through a coup every decade or so?
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Stephen Johnson
Nov. 22, 2007, 11:51 a.m.Please - these conspiracy theories serve no purpose other than to occupy the time of unproductive people.
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scriblerus1
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:18 p.m.You of course feel the same way about the "conspiracy theories" concerning Bill Clinton's smuggling cocaine into Arkansas.
Come on, SJ, you know good and well that human beings concoct and carry out conspiracies all the time. I know of at least half a dozen conspiracies cooked up every day at the office.
Being such a genius at history, you yourself surely can cite at least 150 off the top of your head, from Cassius' and Brutus' conspiracy to assassinate Julius Caesar on down.
Labeling something a conspiracy theory persuades only the ignorant. You can do better.
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HannibalBarca
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:09 p.m.Eleanor Roosevelt wrote about December 7th in This I Remember p 233, that FDR became "in a way more serene." In the NY Times Magazine of October 8, 1944 she wrote: "December 7 was...far from the shock it proved to the country in general. We had expected something of the sort for a long time."
Any married man will know that it is almost impossible to pull the wool over you wife's eye
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markoller
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:12 p.m.I also recommend "Yes Virginia, there really are government conspiracies!" Click http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/virginia.html
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canadianrancher57
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:14 p.m.After reading just a few of the first sentences, I will say that there are some errors here. The war in Europe had been going on since 1939 and it was a know fact that FDR would like to be able to help out the effort against Hitler. It is also a fact that the American people were opposed to entering the war. The error that I am refering to is that I don't think that Hitler declared war on the U.S., I might be wrong on this since I'm not a history kind of person. With the attack of Pearl Harbour there was a rally to war which allowed FDR to also help out in the European conflict. I do think that there is merit in this story. I am not sure how many actions had been taken against the Japenese but economically they were being pressured by the U.S., so by todays standards (IRAQ) they may have been justified.
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HannibalBarca
Nov. 22, 2007, 12:22 p.m.Germany did declare war on USA but I have seen 3 dates for this Dec 8, 10, 11.
Germany was at the gates of Moscow at the time and was hoping that by declaring war on USA, Japan would declare war on Russia thus pinning down Russian troops there but this never happened and these troops relieved some of the pressure on Moscow and later were the troops that encircled Stalingrad
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Natureboy
Nov. 22, 2007, 8:41 p.m.Remember the Maine!
The Viet Cong attacked our ship in the Tonkin Gulf!
Poland attacked Germany!
Holy crap, people, false-flag operations in order to dupe the public into war are not freaky conspiracies, they have historically been commonplace. Wake up.
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HannibalBarca
Nov. 22, 2007, 9:30 p.m.The military and politics are the two biggest breeding grounds for conspiracies in all of history.
But today, the country with the biggest military and a political heavy weight is conspiracy free, HaHaHa what a effing joke!
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sumptuousdigs
Nov. 22, 2007, 9:40 p.m.Been to Dealy Plaza? "The Sixth Floor Museum" is haunted I tell ya!
I had an illustious dad, he was waiting in Ft. Worth for JFK's arrival. He wasn't very impressed with the Warren Report. An astute old man, he didn't buy all of the conspiracy theories either. Let's just say he, like many, has never been satisfied. God rest his soul.
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sumptuousdigs
Nov. 22, 2007, 9:33 p.m.Jaydee40. I was fooling with a webcam the other day, and no matter how I adjusted it, my nose still came out like the dog's on your avatar. Beagle? I was really looking for more of a Clark Gable effect. Actually the dog's looks better than mine.
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sumptuousdigs
Nov. 22, 2007, 10:52 p.m.Ms. Hume's been spreading the rumour that your Barca is much worse than your bite. Well if she shows up we'll howl a duet. Are you a falsetto? lol
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HannibalBarca
Nov. 22, 2007, 11:01 p.m.Tenor I sing or howl tenor, ten or twelve mies away.
As for Ms. H I am taller than 4'10" so maybe she better get a tetanus shot in case I do bite.
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humemacdonald
Nov. 23, 2007, 2:48 p.m.Sorry you guys are going to have to stick to the duet, I can't manage three part harmonies, too busy right now. End of term and I am in a tizzy.
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markoller
Nov. 22, 2007, 11:28 p.m.The Kennedy assassination cover up was part of another cover up. President Kennedy's murder was ordered by the mafia, which helped elect Kennedy. Joseph Kennedy paid Sam Giancana five million dollars to steal the election. President Kennedy also hired to mafia to kill Castro. Both would have been extremely embarassing revelations, at a time when the United States was using democratic ideology, as a propaganda weapon against communist ideology.
Before blaming the assassination for massive American involvement in Vietnam, bear in mind that Kennedy approved the assassination of Diem. This led to two years of chaos in South Vietnam, thus assuring all out American involvement in the war.
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markoller
Nov. 23, 2007, 2:06 a.m.The Rolling Stone article, "The Last Confession of E. Howard Hunt," reveals that that President Johnson and the CIA was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy. While dying of cancer, E. Howard Hunt revealed to his son a meeting in Miami, in which he was asked to "kill JFK." He did not want to be involved, but according to his son, almost everyone in the government hated Kennedy. Click http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/1389...
I do not share the author's leftist politics. Erik Hedgaard writes, "In the CIA, he'd helped mastermind the violent removal of a duly elected leftist president in Guatemala and assisted in subterfuges that led to the murder of Che Guevara." Che Guevara was a communist, who admitted to carrying out thousands of executions.
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jrmunro
Nov. 23, 2007, 2:33 a.m.Why is the info still classified. It`s sixty years old, what a joke. If there was nothing to it why not release the info.
I think it`s to keep people in the dark so they can keep committing the same crimes. If people knew the truth it would be much harder to dupe the general populace when they do things like this again.
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Grrr
Nov. 23, 2007, 9:36 a.m.Actually, the way I heard it back in the 70's or so, Roosevelt didn't so much provoke the attack, but did suppress intelligence that it was on its way, sacrificing Pearl in order to 'awaken the sleeping giant'.
Old news. But probably true.
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palama
Nov. 23, 2007, 10:51 a.m.The way I see it, either our government and our military brasses knew what was coming or they were incredibly incompetent digesting all the information and warnings that they had. To dismiss all this exhaustive factual information as the imaginings of tin-foil types is a bit disingenuous.
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SpazMat
Nov. 24, 2007, 1:14 a.m."To dismiss all this exhaustive factual information as the imaginings of tin-foil types is a bit disingenuous."
In general, the facts are not the imaginings of the tin foil types. The conspiracies are, but the facts are not.
Here, do you really believe there is some mythical connection between Kennedy and Lincoln? You've seen the stories, I'm sure. Names of people around them major happenings in their lives, dates of elections, head shots, etc, etc.
It is the product of people going out and finding all the facts they can and throwing out the ones that are not interesting.
If you take any random event, like a plane landing in LA, and start screen the people, you will start finding sets of coincidences. You present enough of these sets, and people will forget that coincidences happen.
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