Scandal Brews at Oral Roberts University »
Posted By deathray 1 year ago in NewsRichard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors' expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter's senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.
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deathray1 year ago
The Lord spoke to me and said, "Deathray, if you don't submit this story, I'm going to call you home."
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
deathray: Good thing you responded we wouldn't want you called home early. ROFL I remeber when that clown said that. "If I don't receive X amount of dollars by a certain date God is going to take me." I was so hoping he would fall short of his goal. What else is new? These ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing are perfect for the ultra conservatives. They are both liars and thieves who prey on the simple and weak minded. Of course maybe he and Benny Hinn can get together and heal the ultra conservative party. Just lay hands on them and they will fall down. I would love to do that, lay hands on them and watch them fall down. Receive my healing as I lay hands on you my misled ones. But oh that is so wrong of me. Where is my forgiveness. They haven't asked for it yet. I would gladly forgive them if they could admit their wrongs.
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LordyLordy1 year ago
It is a shame that Oral Roberts has gotten himself into this pickle again. Benny Hinn doesn't get any of my money either, neither did Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggart, but there are good men of God out there, some we're losing because they're already died or are dying of old age.
Some sheep are stupid and blindly follow any voice, but a sheep who has spent time around a real shepherd I'm told knows the voice of His Shepherd, knows that he can trust Him. I don't listen to man except when my Shepherd confirms his words. If you haven't learned to listen you need to start because there are wolves out there. Your Shepherd will deal with them. It's not your job. You simply don't answer the strangers voice.
But what do I know? I'm a cowboy but my cows do listen to me even if they aren't sheep. They flee from a stranger.
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Searchbeam1 year ago
Phil Collins:(Genesis)
You see the face on the TV screen
Coming at you every Sunday
See that face on the billboard
That man is me
On the cover of the magazine
Theres no question why I'm smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You buy a piece of me
Ill get you everything you wanted
Ill get you everything you need
Don't need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me
Cos Jesus He knows me
And He knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes He knows me
And He knows I'm right
And He's been telling me
Everything is alright
I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she don't know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night
Do you believe in God
Cos that's what I'm selling
And if you wanna get to heaven
I'll see you right
You won't even have to leave your house
Or get outta your chair
You don't even have to touch that dial
Cos I'm everywhere
And Jesus He knows me
And He knows I'm right
More..
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Searchbeam1 year ago
Contd..
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes He knows me
And He knows I'm right
Well He's been telling me
Everything's gonna be alright
Wont find me practicing what I'm preaching
Won't find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, don't do as I do
I'm counting my blessings,
Ive found true happiness
Cos I'm getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book,
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away
There'll be no doubt in your mind
You'll believe everything I'm saying
If you wanna get closer to Him
Get on your knees and start paying
Cos Jesus He knows me
And He knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
Oh yes He knows me
And He knows I'm right
Well He's been telling me
Everything's gonna be alright, alright
Jesus He knows me
Jesus He knows me, you know...
(With the help of SpellCheck)
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LordyLordy1 year ago
You know its sad because when he first came out with the "I have to build this University or Hospital, I'm going to call you homeâ;¦" This was very disturbing to many who are genuine Christian, and frightening. If God did speak to him and tell him to do this, and he didn't, well, we all recall Sodom and Gomorrah? Or the flood? Noah and his children would have drowned like everyone else had Noah not built the Ark as he was told to do. Only God and Oral Roberts know the truth. Everything else in here is idle speculation, and glee on the part of those who hate Christians and God. You need to pray for the man to repent. Just like you he is one of God's children, and neither of us are perfect, including him. I just would not send him any money, would be my advice.
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Aidenag1 year ago
And this is a prime example of why i find televangelists and pretty much the whole evangelical movement to be a joke. It's all about politics and money to these people. Has nothing to do with god, or faith.. At least at the upper levels. I have no doubt many of its followers are very good people. They just support fakes who rob them blind...
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LordyLordy1 year ago
I also agree that using money donated to you to buy Mercedes, big lavish houses, and putting diamond rings on every finger is definitely abuse. The person who donated that money didn't intend it to be used that way. When you work for God you're entitled to be rewarded but this is simply far too lavish. I don't condemn them because they have to stand before God and answer for it one day, but I also don't send them any money. My conscience there is clean. I didn't send money to the well known evangelist who used to spend hours begging for money, while both he and his wife had diamonds on every finger and their dog had an air-conditioned dog house and she had 400 pairs of shoes! But there is one man I do send money too. Every time I see him he has on the same suit, I know, because it has a stain on the right side, right below the second button. Nobody else notices but I do. I know that when I give him money it's used where he said it is, not on himself.
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LordyLordy1 year ago
Some sheep are stupid and blindly follow any voice, but a sheep who has spent time around a real shepherd I'm told knows the voice of His Shepherd, knows that he can trust Him. I don't listen to man except when my Shepherd confirms his words. If you haven't learned to listen you need to start because there are wolves out there. Your Shepherd will deal with them. It's not your job. You simply don't answer the strangers voice. But what do I know? I'm a cowboy but my cows do listen to me even if they aren't sheep. They flee from a stranger.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
LordyLordy: You recall in the Bible where it says you will be known by your fruit? They are known by their fruit. Did Jesus even have his own home? Yes but not on this earth. You remeber his seed money statements? He still gives them on TBN. He and his student Benny Hinn. False doctrine is mentioned so many times in the Bible, to warn us. Still the unwary are caught up in the prosperity doctrine of these wolves. They are being aligned with the power of the Republican party in order to carry out their evil. Say what you will. Wrong is wrong and right is right. They are wrong. Jesus knew there were the ones you couldn't help they were to far gone. That is why he didn't answer King Herod. These charlatans hurt the body of Christ when they do their evil. We need to turn them out and disclaim their evil for what it is. Just as Paul said. You cannot allow false doctrine into the Church. That is how satan works. His are the lies of Gods truths. God is true.
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
I agree with you about many followers probably being very good people, but I sometimes wonder, would they follow and send $ to someone who didn't look all gussied up and plastic,with wigs, hair peices, make-up etc..would they listen to a person who lived VERY modestly and actually did spend almost all the $ the ministry recieved on helping others? and not 'administration' costs...I think that's what they call it-isn't it?? Makes me physically ill to see, especially on VERY limited incomes, elderly people sending their $ to these people, then you feel bad if you say anything about them being frauds when it's those people on TV that should be full of shame.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Ivrowolves: They will receive their reward. Although I doubt it will the kind they want. I would much rather give to the ones who have nothing. When I do it is always in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I try to give in such a way that those I give to. Know it is not my goodness but the goodness of God who they are receiving of. For left to my own I am not good. Not looking for kudos or praise for I don't deserve them. Just wanted to say there are we Christians who do care about the needy and less fortunate.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Aidenag: I think most of the followers are true Christians. I stopped attending the church my wife and I went to. They started preaching about the rightness of the war Bush started. Then the pastor started bragging about going to Washington and being included in Bushes prayer teams. Lets see that would be the same one that Ted "no I'm not gay" Haggard was the leader of. I don't care what Haggard does personally. But when you espouse one thing and do another. I find that reprehensible. I cannot accept the hypocisy of the leadership in both areas. I remain a faithful follower of Christ not Bush or his type.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Aidenag: I think most of the followers are true Christians. I stopped attending the church my wife and I went to. They started preaching about the rightness of the war Bush started. Then the pastor started bragging about going to Washington and being included in Bushes prayer teams. Lets see that would be the same one that Ted "no I'm not gay" Haggard was the leader of. I don't care what Haggard does personally. But when you espouse one thing and do another. I find that reprehensible. I cannot accept the hypocisy of the leadership in both areas. I remain a faithful follower of Christ not Bush or his type.
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kedirian1 year ago
The fact that "good Christians" so docilely led themselves to be fleeced, monetarily and spiritually, by these "reverend" scam-artists pleads for a more rigorous public education with an emphasis on academics and a de-emphasis of sports and "social" skills.
The school-system I attended in Europe was(by US standards) "socialistic" in that the government set general standards via its Education Department and the various school-systems, public and private (including Catholic and Protestant) could only ADD their specific requirements.
The result: students who could THINK for themselves and are unafraid to take a standpoint that deviates from the herd!
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HomerJS491 year ago
Yes and they're the ones in bed with corrupt Right wing politicians. Any surprise? Not here anyway.
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icono11 year ago
True 'God' sells big time. An' as you pointed out ..."I have no doubt many of its followers are very good people. They just support fakes who rob them blind..." tis a cryin' shame how they, the fakes, profit from the pockets of the believers. ( by the way; dosen't God have a real attitude problem with the fakes scamming the flock in his, God's name?)
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
icono1: Lets just say I would rather suffer everything miserable on this earth. Than to face the wrath they will face. Not going to be pleasant at all. It is not just for a human lifetime. 10,000 years will seem like the beginning. Oh no not something I would want to be on the wrong side of.
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not2needy1 year ago
FTA:
Mrs. Roberts - who is a member of the board of regents and is referred to as ORU's "first lady" on the university's Web site - frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense."))
A dirty old woman, also makes people come and do her daughters homework.
I just wonder what Dad is saying about all the mess his son has made?
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
doggammit: Great one had me ROFLMAO HA HA HA HA HA HAAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA
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augustine9741 year ago
He's probably very displeased that the scam he spent his life building, is being bungled by it's inheritors...When Oral bit the dust, I doubt the Lord was the one who "took him home".
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BronxBomber1 year ago
Because I's luv's yah so much ecobabe. I's gladly gives you mine honey lamb! honey baby, & honey pie.
:o)
(((((Eco-sweets)))))
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canadianrancher571 year ago
I don't believe in the burning fires of hell that will punish us for our evil, and apparently neither do alot of these people. Maybe the devil gives favortism to those who have all the cash. This is a good atrical but saddly those who support this ministry will never admit to being cheated.
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lvrofwolves1 year ago
I think they truly feel they are paying homage to their faith and 'God'.
Why would they believe they are paying homage to greedy people or in religious speak- evil people.
It's sad when you think about it, these well intentions by people who contribute $, could really go to good use.
On the other hand, if they all did all of a sudden know the truth,they are being duped by someone they put their faith in, how many would be so disillusioned that they would give up their faith entirely, some people actually need their faith, and some might be evil if they didn't have the threat of hell to make them walk the right path.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Ivrowolves: It is not just the threat of Hel*. Also the promise of paradise. I have been evil no doubt. I read somewhere one time that a mans' capacity for good is only matched by his capacity for evil. I guess Bush could be good if that was his choice.
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Searchbeam1 year ago
That is the dirty little secret they know about and try to keep it away from their flock!
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texangelwings1 year ago
Evidently, they have lost sight of their real purpose, to live the Christian life. Seems that they have allowed the material world trappings to become first in their lives.
Scandles have always rocked churches over the centuries.
In my opinion, too many TV ministries pushing wealth and money!
Thanks quicksilver for the headsup on this article.
Thank deathray.
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Searchbeam1 year ago
In our country, it seems that every one of these so-called Mega-Ministries have become a grazing ground for all these greedy hypocrites who have been robbing from God's basket to perpetuate their sins!
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uncle-dave1 year ago
"All over that campus, there are signs up that say, `And God said, build me a university, build it on my authority, and build it on the Holy Spirit,"' Oh, and skim a little off the top of the building fund to help the Mrs. with her Text Message Ministry helping young men (between the hours of 1 AM and 3AM) find their way in the darkness to the bosom of the Lord! Can I get an AHMEN brothers and sisters?!
http://www.prankplace.com/jesus.htm
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